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 Do you think yin and yang are accurate descriptions of the two dominant forces in the world? 
#11503359 - 11/22/09 09:28 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's been floating in my head the past 24 hours....That yin and yang are really fair descriptions of life's major forces (versus using the four/five elements, for instance).
Your thoughts?
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 Re: Do you think yin and yang are accurate descriptions of the two dominant forces in the world? [Re: World Spirit]
#11503386 - 11/22/09 09:34 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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The yin and yang aren't the two major forces but represent the duality of all things. They can be any two forces who play binary opposites of each other.
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Re: Do you think yin and yang are accurate descriptions of the two dominant forces in the world? [Re: jonathanseagull]
#11503405 - 11/22/09 09:38 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Isn't it true, though, that anything that exists can be put into the category of Yin or the category of Yang?
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Re: Do you think yin and yang are accurate descriptions of the two dominant forces in the world? [Re: World Spirit]
#11503449 - 11/22/09 09:44 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Can you put yourself in one of these categories? How about a bottle of coke? A tiger? An electron?
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Re: Do you think yin and yang are accurate descriptions of the two dominant forces in the world? [Re: World Spirit]
#11503455 - 11/22/09 09:45 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Not the Buddhist "middle path"
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Re: Do you think yin and yang are accurate descriptions of the two dominant forces in the world? [Re: Lion]
#11503499 - 11/22/09 09:52 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lion said:
Can you put yourself in one of these categories? How about a bottle of coke? A tiger? An electron?
Dr. Mahayana Zen Mountain Pepper Dew.
I think yin and yang are very useful and precise analytical categories. I do not think they exist in the world though. They exist in the human mind. In other words, don't let these dominant forces dominate the mind.
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Re: Do you think yin and yang are accurate descriptions of the two dominant forces in the world? [Re: Lion]
#11503527 - 11/22/09 09:58 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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jonathanseagull said:
The yin and yang aren't the two major forces but represent the duality of all things. They can be any two forces who play binary opposites of each other.
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Lion said:
Can you put yourself in one of these categories? How about a bottle of coke? A tiger? An electron?
Precisely. You can and in fact there are books that put things into these categories.
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Re: Do you think yin and yang are accurate descriptions of the two dominant forces in the world? [Re: Lakefingers]
#11503570 - 11/22/09 10:09 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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yin and yang represent forces of duality and can be found in any physical thing...even a bottle of coke...even a tiger...and without a doubt one of the easiest places to see this aspect of reality is within an electron. However, ultimate reality, the reality that is above and beyond what we consider to be the material universe, is wholly non-dual. There are no separate and individual things, and there is no sense of I and other. So ultimately, though yin and yang can be said to govern the physical universe, they are ultimately non-existent. Taoism says that when yin and yang are in perfect balance, essentially canceling out the force of each other, then the Tao naturally flows. The Tao is ultimate reality, and it is the absence of yin and yang.
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Re: Do you think yin and yang are accurate descriptions of the two dominant forces in the world? [Re: kcobra15]
#11503591 - 11/22/09 10:12 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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What's the difference between "reality" and "ultimate reality"? Is it Absolutely Nothing that is Something?
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Re: Do you think yin and yang are accurate descriptions of the two dominant forces in the world? [Re: World Spirit]
#11503623 - 11/22/09 10:23 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ultimate reality is the answer to all your hopes and prayers and dreams.
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Re: Do you think yin and yang are accurate descriptions of the two dominant forces in the world? [Re: Icelander]
#11503653 - 11/22/09 10:31 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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What's the difference between "reality" and "ultimate reality"? Is it Absolutely Nothing that is Something?
There is no difference, that's the point. Absolutely Nothing that is Something is a good way to put it yes. Actually, because a description of it is beyond duality, and the human mind only processes things according to the principles of duality, there really is no good way to put it.
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Re: Do you think yin and yang are accurate descriptions of the two dominant forces in the world? [Re: kcobra15]
#11503672 - 11/22/09 10:35 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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You made a funny, Icelander. 
kcobra15, What in terms of knowledge does it benefit us to even have that as a description (Ultimate Reality)?
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Re: Do you think yin and yang are accurate descriptions of the two dominant forces in the world? [Re: World Spirit]
#11503682 - 11/22/09 10:37 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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ultimate reality is reality without the ego...
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Re: Do you think yin and yang are accurate descriptions of the two dominant forces in the world? [Re: World Spirit]
#11503687 - 11/22/09 10:39 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Reality = knowable by humans, you know, basic science and worldly knowledge.
Ultimate Reality= the unknowable, beyond the capability of the finite mind to comprehend or prove.
I'm not saying it makes sense but that's how it seems to be used here.
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Re: Do you think yin and yang are accurate descriptions of the two dominant forces in the world? [Re: cyb3rtr0n]
#11503702 - 11/22/09 10:42 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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kcobra15, What in terms of knowledge does it benefit us to even have that as a description (Ultimate Reality)?
Only because we can only speak of things according to their dual nature like I said. That is the only way the human mind can process it. So as there is no real difference between reality and ultimate reality, we are forced to draw a distinction (however false it may ultimately be) in order to talk about them.
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Re: Do you think yin and yang are accurate descriptions of the two dominant forces in the world? [Re: Icelander]
#11503733 - 11/22/09 10:49 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Icelander said:
Ultimate reality is the answer to all your hopes and prayers and dreams.
And cures the hiccups, too!
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Re: Do you think yin and yang are accurate descriptions of the two dominant forces in the world? [Re: kcobra15]
#11503775 - 11/22/09 10:57 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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kcobra15 said:
yin and yang represent forces of duality and can be found in any physical thing...
What methods do you use to find the forces in things?
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kcobra15 said:
even a bottle of coke...even a tiger...and without a doubt one of the easiest places to see this aspect of reality is within an electron.
No, nope, there are nor yins or yangs in electrons. I'm pretty dang sure. 
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kcobra15 said: However, ultimate reality, the reality that is above and beyond what we consider to be the material universe, is wholly non-dual.
There are no separate and individual things, and there is no sense of I and other. So ultimately, though yin and yang can be said to govern the physical universe, they are ultimately non-existent. Taoism says that when yin and yang are in perfect balance, essentially canceling out the force of each other, then the Tao naturally flows. The Tao is ultimate reality, and it is the absence of yin and yang.
Same question here. What tools did you use to find this reality? -- The answer will be the same: It's all in your head!
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Re: Do you think yin and yang are accurate descriptions of the two dominant forces in the world? [Re: Lakefingers]
#11503808 - 11/22/09 11:03 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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If I can step up and acknowledge your second question about electrons. They would be considered either yin or yang in oriental medicine, although there may be differences in opinion. I've never heard of it being discussed nor read about it.
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Re: Do you think yin and yang are accurate descriptions of the two dominant forces in the world? [Re: Lakefingers]
#11503815 - 11/22/09 11:04 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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kcobra15 said:
even a bottle of coke...even a tiger...and without a doubt one of the easiest places to see this aspect of reality is within an electron.
No, nope, there are nor yins or yangs in electrons. I'm pretty dang sure.
wouldn't a positron/electron relationship be the yin/yang. I'm not a physicist, but I hope I'm making the general (oppsoing forces) comparison clear.
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Re: Do you think yin and yang are accurate descriptions of the two dominant forces in the world? [Re: World Spirit]
#11503835 - 11/22/09 11:06 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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World Spirit said:
If I can step up and acknowledge your second question about electrons. They would be considered either yin or yang in oriental medicine, although there may be differences in opinion. I've never heard of it being discussed nor read about it.
And that's the difference between reality as close as we can get to it (describing an electron with observation) and filtering the electron through a baroque system of thought that has no bearing on the electron itself.
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