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 HorseBox
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 Colloidal silver 
#11498655 - 11/21/09 11:52 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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I read about colloidal silver which is just water with microscopic silver particles (colloids) suspended in it and read that it has powerful antibacterial, antifungal and even antiviral properties so I decided to make some and put these claims to the test. Besides my experiments colloidal silver was approved by the FDA as an antibiotic in the 50's and has been shown to kill bacteria and fungi in the lab so I'm starting this thread under the hypothesis that it kills unicellular fungi.
Normal antifungal substances work by attacking the differences fungal cells have to animal cells so they'd kill mushrooms. I've read that colloidal silver only kills unicellular microbes because they rely on a different kind of metabolism than multicellular organisms. If this theory is correct then adding colloidal silver to a substrate after the spores have germinated would prevent any foreign organisms from colonizing the substrate leaving the mycellium free to colonize. Molds are multicellular fungi but spores are unicellular therefore colloidal silver should kill the mold spores before they develop into hyphae.
This is all pure theory I haven't tested this out but this is worthing researching in my opinion. The first thing to test is whether colloidal silver harms mushrooms and mycellium. I don't have access to live mushrooms right now unfortunately. If anyone does keep in mind colloidal silver can be made for about $25.
As for its ability to kill mold spores heres an experiment I did. First I soaked a slice of bread in colloidal silver water and another slice of bread in normal water and let them sit. Its only been a few days so theres no green or blue mold yet but one slice of bread has a blotch of red stuff (not necessarily mold but it wasn't there before) and covered in black things which appear to be miniature slugs while the other slice of bread hasn't been touched. Unfortunately I can't remember which slice was which so I fucked that experiment up.
They're the only 2 factors I can think of which need to be determined. 1.) Does colloidal silver kill mold spores, 2.) Does it harm hyphae or mushrooms?
Theres a few experiments I'm planning on doing as soon as I get the materials.
1.) Make a honey or malt extract solution the kind used in liquid cultures and see if colloidal silver keeps it sterile. In the past I've seen ugly blotches of mold take over honey water jars after boiling them just because there was no filter in the airhole on the lid so it shouldn't be hard to get good results from this experiment.
2.) Spray colloidal silver water on a mold infested slice of bread and see if it inhibits the colonization. If this stuff kills mold it would probably kill mycellium since both are composed of hyphae.
Heres another thread where the OP gives the results of his experiments
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9119483
In that thread the OP claims to have sprayed it on a mold infested harvested mushroom and that the green mold turned brown and started secreting puss which is obviously not a symptom of healthy mold metabolism. Not a good sign but there are plenty of variables involved so the only thing to do is experiment. The big question is does this stuff kill mycellium I don't have any spores so I can't test this one out myself at the moment.
Edited by HorseBox (11/21/09 12:29 PM)
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Re: Colloidal silver [Re: HorseBox]
#11498763 - 11/21/09 12:13 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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I just read about this last night somewhere. Weird, can't remember where though..
Sorry, I don't have anything to add at this point though, gotta run. I'll stop by later.
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Go for it. Silver is still dirt cheap, might as well give it a try.
Just don't get hooked on it and end up gray like those dumbasses you see now and again.
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Re: Colloidal silver [Re: fastfred]
#11500852 - 11/21/09 06:24 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah seriously do not let that stuff get on you, too much exposure and you will be permanently smurfed.
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Re: Colloidal silver [Re: jimbotron]
#11502135 - 11/21/09 10:59 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Apparently 2 out of 9 products tested actually had bacterial contamination in the colloidal silver bottles and only 4 or 5 of them were antibacterialy effective.
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html
Can't have this thread without some fun pics of what happens to colloidal silver freaks!
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Re: Colloidal silver [Re: fastfred]
#11502477 - 11/22/09 12:30 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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If that stuff really turns you into a smurf, COUNT ME IN! Haahhaha
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Re: Colloidal silver [Re: Sinoc]
#11505529 - 11/22/09 03:57 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Make sure you note the concentration of colloidal silver as well, I'm interested to see how this goes.
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Re: Colloidal silver [Re: pcube]
#11508899 - 11/23/09 02:16 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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I quite like the idea of turning blue. I'm surprised nobodies intentionally turned themselves blue yet. We could start a new race of blue people. We'd already have a US senator
Just be a matter of time before we took over the world.
Anyhow this stuff seems to work really well at keeping food from getting infested. I have a glass of milk sitting in my cupboard and it doesn't even smell yet. Usually a small glass of milk would start going stale within a day or two. I found some stale sauce in the fridge and the surface is covered in mold so I'm going to pour some colloidal silver on it and see what happens.
Edited by HorseBox (11/23/09 07:06 AM)
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Re: Colloidal silver [Re: HorseBox]
#11512630 - 11/23/09 03:41 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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i make and orally ingest colloidal silver every day.not blue yet.
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Re: Colloidal silver [Re: HorseBox]
#11512682 - 11/23/09 03:46 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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adding colloidal silver to milk keeps it for an extra 12-15 days.i have done this experiment.im interested to see you results with mycelium.
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yeah man sounds like a kewl idea..
isn't it just electrolosis of silver.
would be a good idea . maybe mix it in the agar when u add the water to it. a control plate and regular,and compare.
Or maybe to the water of a substrate of a medicinal mushroom to give it a extra kick.
Have u ever made hydrogen outta water with electrolosis. pretty easy and kewl.
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Quote:
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i make and orally ingest colloidal silver every day.not blue yet.
Why?! Dude you're gonna get smurfed eventually...
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Re: Colloidal silver [Re: jimbotron]
#11516993 - 11/24/09 06:01 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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UPDATE: I poured some high PPM colloidal silver water into the jar of that moldy sauce crap I found in the fridge yesterday and the mold didn't turn black or change in appearance at all. I have no idea how to tell if mold is alive or dead without watching it colonize a substrate though so I can't really conclude anything from that observation.
SOUTHERN: Yeah you just put two silver electrodes (in my case its two pieces of silver wire) into a glass of distilled water and apply around 27 volts to them. Not sure if thats technically considered electrolysis since theres no electrolytes reacting with the electrodes.
The only time I made hydrogen from water was in the lab in school but since I'm already playing with electrolysis I might as well start experimenting with hydrogen too. Do you need proper electrodes for that or would copper wire do the trick?
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Re: Colloidal silver [Re: HorseBox]
#11517002 - 11/24/09 06:08 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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you just put two silver electrodes (in my case its two pieces of silver wire) into a glass of distilled water and apply around 27 volts to them
That's not going to do anything at all. Clean wires in clean water? 27 volts won't do much beside make a few bubbles.
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Re: Colloidal silver [Re: Doc_T]
#11517802 - 11/24/09 09:31 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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you just put two silver electrodes (in my case its two pieces of silver wire) into a glass of distilled water and apply around 27 volts to them
That's not going to do anything at all. Clean wires in clean water? 27 volts won't do much beside make a few bubbles.
You can see the stream of silver particles under a bright light. I need to get a PPM meter and a multimeter to measure whats going on. All I have at the moment is a shitty buzzer to give me an idea of the current flowing through the circuit.
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Re: Colloidal silver [Re: HorseBox]
#11518242 - 11/24/09 10:49 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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I wonder if colloidal mercury would result in autistic shroomies?
Edited by Caladan_Shroom (11/24/09 10:50 AM)
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Re: Colloidal silver [Re: HorseBox]
#11518433 - 11/24/09 11:19 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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you just put two silver electrodes (in my case its two pieces of silver wire) into a glass of distilled water and apply around 27 volts to them
That's not going to do anything at all. Clean wires in clean water? 27 volts won't do much beside make a few bubbles.
You can see the stream of silver particles under a bright light.
I'm doubting that while not calling you a liar. Guess I'll just have to try it for myself someday. 
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Re: Colloidal silver [Re: Doc_T]
#11521982 - 11/24/09 07:13 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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TO MAKE THE HYDROGEN. I TAKE A CARPENTERS PENCIL AND GET THE LEAD OUTTA IT. any graphite will work i guess. break in half and wrap wire around each it doesn't have to cover it just enough to hold the graphite. hook each wire to different sides of battery.put in water. it will bubble. i put a little soap in the water. don't shake it up enough soap to cover the surface of the water. when u get enough bubbles u can light them. take a minute to get enough to burn..
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Re: Colloidal silver [Re: Doc_T]
#11532139 - 11/26/09 12:15 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm doubting that while not calling you a liar. Guess I'll just have to try it for myself someday.
Even more unbelievable the stream goes up. Its happening right now, the stream is coming off the same electrode as the bubbles but the stream is rising much slower. They're coming off the tip of the electrode. Maybe they're tiny air bubbles is the speed bubbles rise proportional to their volume?
I'll assume this stream consists of tiny air bubbles for now. Heres some other signs that something is happening. 1.) The anode (not the electrode the bubbles form on) turns black after half an hour.
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/6077/20091126203710.jpg
Sorry about the crap picture but you can see the difference in colour.
2.) When I add table salt to the solution (not during electrolysis) it becomes cloudy indicating the presence of AgCl. What I really need is a PPM meter because even if I can prove there are silver ions present with the chloride test I still have no idea what PPM the solutions I'm using are.
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TO MAKE THE HYDROGEN. I TAKE A CARPENTERS PENCIL AND GET THE LEAD OUTTA IT. any graphite will work i guess. break in half and wrap wire around each it doesn't have to cover it just enough to hold the graphite. hook each wire to different sides of battery.put in water. it will bubble. i put a little soap in the water. don't shake it up enough soap to cover the surface of the water. when u get enough bubbles u can light them. take a minute to get enough to burn..
I had a dream last night I was in jail and my cell mate built a hydrogen powered jet pack and escaped. Inmates brewing wine in the toilet using fruitjuice and moldy bread is impressive but improvising a hydrogen powered jetpack out of materials available in a prison was mighty impressive.
Have you tried storing the hydrogen i.e in balloons or something? I've come across plans for hydrogen fuel cells but assumed they would be fairly elaborate so never attempted to build one but I like the idea.
Edited by HorseBox (11/26/09 12:45 PM)
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Re: Colloidal silver [Re: HorseBox]
#11533191 - 11/26/09 04:18 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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i have never attempted to catch it ,other than the soap. i forgot to say don't get the to pieces of graphite or wire to close together. i did and my battery started smoking...but i was making some fast hydrogen. the smoking will get your attention fast. i'm sure u could store it some how.
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