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Hesterzjester
Sojourner



Registered: 10/02/09
Posts: 56
Loc: Uh-oh.... I can't remembe...
Last seen: 1 year, 10 months
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All I was saying is that he did provide links. and a halfway, understandable POV. If you will look closely at the "proof" he provided, it comes closer to proving God than anything I have seen any of you provide concerning there being no God.
But you won't. Good job Icelander, you managed to be condescending, show your vanity, and insult me all in one post! You asked him to provide proof. He gave you links, you ignored them.
This was my favorite part of your epic phail:
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Darkestone said:
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Darkestone said: "the human mind created the bible"
So then In your opinion, all of those men, thousands of miles away from each other, thousands of years apart, just happened to write passages that dovetail together perfectly? All the prophecies coming to pass is a just coincidence? There are no contradictions in it. I used to think so, but i can no longer see any.
Side note, I think I may have to unignore poid just to see what's being discussed in here. lol 
I smell a puppet. Or are all fundy's completely irrational?
And please share your "evidence" of these miracles.
And I smell a spirit who, when feeling threatened, resorts to distraction techniques, semantics, and making fun of people to cope.
But then we are not speaking of our opinions on each other in this thread, ARE WE? 
God provided the proof. I listed the evidence here. Scroll ^^^^^
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Icelander said: PREACH
1 : to deliver a sermon 2 : to urge acceptance or abandonment of an idea or course of action; specifically : to exhort in an officious or tiresome manner
Thanks for proving the point I stated above Semantics again???
Maybe I smell a politician??
Either a politician or a lawyer.
Oh and thanks alot guys, I have never agreed with a "Christian" this much in my life. Now I must go lolz Geez I hate being sick. I wouldn't even be in here if I could go to work. Now I am in here with miserable people. What happened to me???
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Icelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery

Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 67,509
Loc: underbelly
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Now I am in here with miserable people. What happened to me???
You mean someone forced you to be here?
In all the years here I have looked at countless "proofs" of god and they have all been completely baseless. Now I'm supposed to look again when I can discern myself from illogical posts and PMs that I am dealing with a delusional character.
So if you want to believe in god that's dandy. But if you want me to you need provide a little more then .
He had plenty of opportunity to present a verbal case here in this thread and he gave nothing but babble. If the things he said make sense to you then I'm seriously glad you don't want to be here. But don't just say you don't want to be here and then post and post. Get the fuck out and be done with it.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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jivJaN
yes


Registered: 08/09/08
Posts: 4,054
Last seen: 2 hours, 12 minutes
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Re: My life without god [Re: C.M. Mann]
#11450381 - 11/13/09 07:25 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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This is a forum designed for debate,arguments, and exchanging ideas. You chastise everyone here, and then go on about how your way is best. When I try to comprehend an idea, I like to see some proof or the idea is just a myth. If there is no proof, bring logic. If you claim that your God is real, it's going to be tough here because there is no proof and it's illogical.
id love to do this with you.. or anybody else for that matter. have a logical discussion about ' god ' .
first off.. i would like to here why you think that its Illogical.
let us assume.. that we yet , have no firm definition for the concept of god. looking at the christian dogma.. i could very much agree with you that is completely irrational and illogical.
but lets look at it from a different perspective.
if one would say : god is all knowing , all seeing and all powerful. he controls everything.
and then followed to conclude : that is completely illogical , therefore i vest no interest in further wasting my energy in such a concept
i ask you have you not , discarded your own opinion ?
didn't you first , form an idea of what 'god' is supposed to be , and then go on to say that it doesn't exist ? i mean.. i find it mind boggling that people do not see this so very obvious paradox.
how do you even find proof ? what are you looking for ?
im all for rationality and critical thinking.. but riddle me that one. you can't
all you can do is bash on other opinions.. or blatantly contradict yourself.
btw.. i dont mean you personally when i use the word 'you'
am i making any sense ?
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All my posts in this forum are strictly fictional.
They are derived from an acute mental illness , from which i am forced to lie compulsively.
I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal.
If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..
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C.M. Mann
subconscious explorer



Registered: 05/01/08
Posts: 899
Loc: Florida
Last seen: 1 year, 1 month
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Re: My life without god [Re: jivJaN]
#11451056 - 11/13/09 09:10 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't follow your logic. I am willing to have a conversation about God, as long as I don't hear quotes from the Bible as proof. The whole Christian,Muslim,Jewish idea of "A GOD", is illogical and makes no sense. Proof is proof, it doesn't matter what you are talking about. If it aggravates you that I need proof of a very important point, I can't help it. The only way the Bible makes sense, is if there "actually wasn't "A GOD".
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Icelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery

Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 67,509
Loc: underbelly
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Re: My life without god [Re: C.M. Mann]
#11452173 - 11/14/09 04:06 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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fivepointer
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Registered: 08/03/02
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William Branham was a false prophet and false teacher.
Quotes from another website: # Branham started off as a Baptist and then changed over to a Oneness Pentecostal. He vehemently denied the Trinity of God and took a strong "Jesus Only" stance in regards to the godhead. This alone places him in the ranks of earlier heretics. The early church fathers fought long and hard battles against those who denied the reality of One God in three distinct persons of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Thus, his Jesus was not the true Jesus of the Bible. # Branham also believed he was Elijah the prophet, see the picture above. This picture is available on the William Branham Homepage and many many other sites on the web. What was more, other people believed him to be the prophet Elijah who was to come before the return of Christ Jesus. Branham was not Elijah, thus we can easily see the depth of the deception working in him and his followers. # Branham taught a works salvation, not uncommon for most Pentecostals, although his form was rather extreme in regards to dress, make-up, etc. Thus, his doctrine of salvation was not sola gratia, sola fide, sola scriptura as the reformers correctly taught.
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jivJaN
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Registered: 08/09/08
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Last seen: 2 hours, 12 minutes
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Re: My life without god [Re: C.M. Mann]
#11452859 - 11/14/09 08:49 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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hm..
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I am willing to have a conversation about God, as long as I don't hear quotes from the Bible as proof.
from my last post..
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looking at the christian dogma.. i could very much agree with you that is completely irrational and illogical.
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I don't follow your logic.
ok... you live in the desert. a guy on a horse comes along with a leaf in his hand. you ask him: where did you get that ? he says from a tree. you ask : what is a 'tree' he tells you far away from here.. there tall. firm ! they have branches.. etc etc.. and at the end - leaves
so lets say .. we want to prove that trees exist.
first - what is a tree ? ( you have his testimony )
second - go out and find it.
third - compare
fourth - conclude whether they exist or not.
you follow ?
so.. if we wish to do the same for 'god'
we first have to either take someones testimony and prove/disprove it
or form an idea of what god is supposed to be then go out and find it. so when you say that the existence of god is illogical , you are calling an idea illogical.
you can say that christian idea of a god is very illogical, and i would agree. but for you.. on a personal level , if you dont take that inquiry further than the already present ,stupid dogma that is also , very illogical...
but if you do. you form your own opinion on the matter and then follow to say that 'IT' doesn't exist. and that just sounds contradicting at its core.
so.. how do you prove or disprove it.. when you dont know what you're looking for.
i have my own logical route of coming to the conclusion that god does indeed exist.
but you go first.
unless you need to me to further clarify.
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All my posts in this forum are strictly fictional.
They are derived from an acute mental illness , from which i am forced to lie compulsively.
I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal.
If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..
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