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My Cold Room and a Fruiting Chamber
    #11438721 - 11/12/09 03:12 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

In addition, you shouldn't heat fruiting chambers. Heat the room they're in if below normal room temperature.
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I know you are not supposed to heat a fruiting chamber directly but for me to just heat the room their in will cost a lot of money as the room is large and it is a cold room (cold outside). Is it really bad to get a low wattage heater eg fan/ceramic/halogen etc and put it closer to the chamber so I'm heating a smaller space and thus the chamber. Or is having the heater too close going to heat the walls of the chamber and thus be a bad thing?

See I am a bit confused as to why heating a room is OK which will eventually heat the walls of the fruiting chamber but heating directly is not OK (I mean from the outside) when isn't it doing the same thing but just quicker?

Is putting the chamber in container of some kind OK eg cupboard/box/another larger plastic tub etc and then aiming heat at this deemed OK? If so why? 

Anyone who has solved this problem and is a lot smarter than me  please get back to me thanks :smile:


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Re: My Cold Room and a Fruiting Chamber [Re: emptyvessal]
    #11438782 - 11/12/09 03:53 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Basically you want an ambient temperature of like... 74 - 79 for fruiting. Generally speaking.

If your room temperature is generally around that temp, then you can just have your fruiting chamber in that room ... because its going to be around the same temp as well.

That's what RR means when he's saying you shouldn't heat fruiting chambers.

If you have a way to heat just the fruiting chamber to be around 74 - 79 ... like a closet or something you can keep it in. Then do it.

There is no problem heating just the chamber to be that amount. It just seems it would be easier to have it in a room or area where the ambient temp is already set. Ya know?

As far as keeping it in a cupboard or box or tub... this is okay, as long as your getting free air exchange... thats a big thing you want to look at.  You may have luck placing the FC on top of a fridge or computer or something that produces a little bit of heat. Just to boost the temp of the FC itself.

Or if you keep it in the room its in now but have a space heater far enough away it isn't gonna heat it up to much. You will just have to try it and see what temps you get in/around the FC and play with it. But this will not hurt it at all if you use common sense.

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Re: My Cold Room and a Fruiting Chamber [Re: HeavyMetal]
    #11438869 - 11/12/09 05:01 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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Basically you want an ambient temperature of like... 74 - 79 for fruiting. Generally speaking.

If your room temperature is generally around that temp, then you can just have your fruiting chamber in that room ... because its going to be around the same temp as well.

That's what RR means when he's saying you shouldn't heat fruiting chambers.

If you have a way to heat just the fruiting chamber to be around 74 - 79 ... like a closet or something you can keep it in. Then do it.

There is no problem heating just the chamber to be that amount. It just seems it would be easier to have it in a room or area where the ambient temp is already set. Ya know?

As far as keeping it in a cupboard or box or tub... this is okay, as long as your getting free air exchange... that's a big thing you want to look at.  You may have luck placing the FC on top of a fridge or computer or something that produces a little bit of heat. Just to boost the temp of the FC itself.

Or if you keep it in the room its in now but have a space heater far enough away it isn't gonna heat it up to much. You will just have to try it and see what temps you get in/around the FC and play with it. But this will not hurt it at all if you use common sense.

Hope that helps




Thanks for this the problem is my room in day is about 60-65 if i am lucky and it night it must be even colder.
I cant afford to heat the whole room as i believe its gona make the electricity bill sky rocket!
I have a timer plug that i can use and also I'm thinking of getting a thermostat plug.
But as the room is large i cant heat the whole room but only try and aim/heat the chamber directly or as in directly as i can. Because i keep reading that heating a chamber directly is bad news.

Will have too mess about and try different things.

Again why is heating the chamber directly so bad? Drying up moisture?


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Re: My Cold Room and a Fruiting Chamber [Re: emptyvessal]
    #11438942 - 11/12/09 05:46 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Well, the thing with heating directly is that the mycelium itself actually produces its own heat. So it could be easy to accidentally overheat/dry out your cake or substrate.

It will fruit fine in a 60 to 65 degree environment from what I have seen. But it will be a lot slower for sure. However, I have heard that fruiting in a cooler condition actually gives more dense and meaty stalks (can't say myself if this is accurate).

I suppose the best thing you could do is make some sort of TiT incubator to put the FC in. But you want to make sure you are getting enough FAE (Free air exchange).

TIT: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5157583#5157583

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5437993#5437993

They are pretty cheap to make, I think mine cost about... eh maybe 25 - 30 bucks.

Anyway, let me know what ya end up doin mate.


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Re: My Cold Room and a Fruiting Chamber [Re: HeavyMetal]
    #11439016 - 11/12/09 06:25 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Cheers well i shall see what happens when i heat it and make my own mind up ay :smile: I already have a TiT for my inoculated jars so know how to make one of those i just wana try and do the best i can for the fruiting stage without fukcing it up by doing something i shouldnt :smile: 


Fruitng chamber has a bubbler in it so should have good moisture and FAE (well i hope!)

will let you know :wink: what happens


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Re: My Cold Room and a Fruiting Chamber [Re: emptyvessal]
    #11439058 - 11/12/09 06:46 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

I fruited at about 70-75 during the past summer. The myc spread quickly and the fruits matured at a pretty solid rate.

Now I'm fruiting at 65-ish during the winter and while it is taking a tad longer -- they're fruiting fine. I got a pretty prolific flush going right now that looks like it's going to get me around 30 full sized fruits give or take. And I hope the meatier stalks thing holds true. Another thing -- it's kind of weird, but my fruits (same strain that I used in the summer)are noticeably darker this time around.


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Re: My Cold Room and a Fruiting Chamber [Re: Niffla]
    #11439121 - 11/12/09 07:07 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

I put a fish tank heater in with my bubbler, worked for me. Used the pyrex jar of a coffee maker, the one where you push the plunger down. Didn't dry out the fc.


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Re: My Cold Room and a Fruiting Chamber [Re: djshoo]
    #11439373 - 11/12/09 08:17 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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I put a fish tank heater in with my bubbler, worked for me. Used the pyrex jar of a coffee maker, the one where you push the plunger down. Didn't dry out the fc.






That sounds interesting ! No adverse effects? everything still grew?


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Re: My Cold Room and a Fruiting Chamber [Re: emptyvessal]
    #11439408 - 11/12/09 08:29 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

I had a casing in the fc

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Re: My Cold Room and a Fruiting Chamber [Re: djshoo]
    #11439491 - 11/12/09 08:52 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

The temperature is about the same for me right now.  low 60's on average. 

I use a small radiator style heater on low to bump the temp up to about 70.

Alternatively you could use a heated fruiting chamber, just be sure not to apply any direct heat or it could cause problems.

Some people buy old gutted refrigerators and set them up with a ventilation system.


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Re: My Cold Room and a Fruiting Chamber [Re: Spongiform]
    #11439527 - 11/12/09 09:01 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah i was thinking of doing that bot sure i have the room! might well do though.  I have a 2kw convection heater its a bit over kill and expensive might have to get a little one :smile:


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Re: My Cold Room and a Fruiting Chamber [Re: emptyvessal]
    #11439556 - 11/12/09 09:11 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

The reason you don't want to heat a fruiting chamber is it robs your humidity to form condensation on the walls.  Condensation forms on the warm side of a surface with a temperature differential.  It's better to heat the room so that it isn't warmer inside the terrarium than outside the terrarium.  Find a room with a bright window.  You'll probably get enough daytime solar heating to do the trick for you.  60F at night is fine, as long as it warms up ten to fifteen degrees during the day.
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Re: My Cold Room and a Fruiting Chamber [Re: emptyvessal]
    #11439562 - 11/12/09 09:12 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

The reason you don't want to heat a fruiting chamber is it robs your humidity to form condensation on the walls.  Condensation forms on the warm side of a surface with a temperature differential.  It's better to heat the room so that it isn't warmer inside the terrarium than outside the terrarium.  Find a room with a bright window.  You'l


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Re: My Cold Room and a Fruiting Chamber [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #11439592 - 11/12/09 09:18 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Does that double-post bug happen when you are doing something else in background? Uploading pics, etc?
Or is it just random?


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Re: My Cold Room and a Fruiting Chamber [Re: Doc_T]
    #11439662 - 11/12/09 09:35 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

I had a stretch where that would happen.. had some other issues too.. switched to firefox and it all stopped :shrug:


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Re: My Cold Room and a Fruiting Chamber [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #11441366 - 11/12/09 01:42 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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The reason you don't want to heat a fruiting chamber is it robs your humidity to form condensation on the walls.  Condensation forms on the warm side of a surface with a temperature differential.  It's better to heat the room so that it isn't warmer inside the terrarium than outside the terrarium.  Find a room with a bright window.  You'll probably get enough daytime solar heating to do the trick for you.  60F at night is fine, as long as it warms up ten to fifteen degrees during the day.
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Thanks for you input rogerrabbit :smile:  Ive read alot of your posts and seen some of your videos and out of all the people on here you and a guy called Agar make the most sense to me and feel like your old hats as it were.  The only problem i have with your heating the room  that the chamber is in is the cost due to the fact that the only place i can put them is in my bedroom which is large and where i am it is cold (think northern U.K) I don't have a night time temp due to my thermometer only holding highs and lows for about a hour or so (it is digital) :grin:

I am getting temps in the low 60s in the day time so at night it must be in the fifties, I understand the point about creating the temp differential and robbing moisture but is this a sacrifice to make if it is the only way to keep temps to a point where fruiting is possible? Or do I do my best to get temps up and hope that they will fruit. Oh and as to putting them near a window to get some sun etc the sun doesn't come out much here if at all :smile:


Thanks for all your time and effort not just for me but to all the questions you have answered :smile:


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Re: My Cold Room and a Fruiting Chamber [Re: djshoo]
    #11441382 - 11/12/09 01:44 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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I had a casing in the fc

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what are the blue tubes??? decoration? or something to do with air ?


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Re: My Cold Room and a Fruiting Chamber [Re: emptyvessal]
    #11958515 - 02/03/10 09:49 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

I think those are for adding water. I have seen my mom use something like that for watering potted plants around her house and garden.

I don't know how I would feel about stabbing something into my myc but voodoo tek says good about it.


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