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 OrgoneConclusion
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 Pure debate: New weekly PSP feature? 
#11411637 - 11/08/09 01:38 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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This may have been suggested before, but I would like to see it. Two people volunteer to tackle opposite sides of an issue.
Here are my proposed rules:
1. Only two people may participate at a time. One debater may pass the wand to another, but then may not return.
2. The rules of debate must be strictly observed as to insults, strawmen, fallacies, off-topic comments. etc.
3. Each person will initially state their premise and then try to make a case for their POV.
4. Debaters must alternate and keep responses to a few paragraphs at most. No wall of text type tactics.
5. No links (distill the essence if you wish).
6. No cut and paste except for reasonably short quotes with credit to the author or source.
7. Relevant questions must be answered. No dodging allowed.
8. Repeating points already made is not allowed. This is not to be an endless circle jerk.
Of course this may put an extra load on Diploid or other mod and they will have to agree to the extra refereeing.
When complete in seven days, other members may comment (in a separate thread?) and if thread is worthwhile may be added to a special archive for easy reference to keep future members from going over the same material year after year.
To responders:
Yay or nay?
Rule change suggestions.
Potential topic and 'combatants' step up to the plate.
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 Unparalized
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How about instead of 2 people there be a representative head to a team and the head be the one who does the posting and debating, but none-the-less, a team assembled for both sides of the topics scheduled for debate. Also a polling for what should be debated by registered users. Furthermore, create a team designed to come up with desirable debate topics for the members to vote on.
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OrgoneConclusion
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 Re: Pure debate: New weekly PSP feature? [Re: Unparalized]
#11411746 - 11/08/09 01:57 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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A team is fine, but should be done through PM so as not to add extra clutter.
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Icelander
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Myself, fivepointer, livingdeadman and markos.
The ultimate tag team.
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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: Pure debate: New weekly PSP feature? [Re: Icelander]
#11411981 - 11/08/09 02:38 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have a toaster oven picked out as the first prize.
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Icelander
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So we can burn toast and pretend it's all the nonbelievers. 
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Booby
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Quote:
Potential topic and 'combatants' step up to the plate.
The problem with debate, as I see it, is that people can think that if a point is carried then it becomes policy. I think people may agree that government policy isn't subject to debate.
Anyone want to debate this?
edit government policy isn't dependent on debate
Edited by Booby (11/09/09 03:21 AM)
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Ahimsa
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Sounds good. We could have a open-to-all part of the debate where people can debate the proceedings of the actual debate.
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Lakefingers
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Re: Pure debate: New weekly PSP feature? [Re: Booby]
#11416724 - 11/09/09 03:24 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Debate: Decent idea. Are there enough interested and capable board members?
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RationalEgo
Principium Individuationis
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I like this idea and certainly would be willing to debate on any number of topics.
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Booby
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Re: Pure debate: New weekly PSP feature? [Re: Lakefingers]
#11416788 - 11/09/09 03:49 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm incapable as already evidenced and yet I think debate is a valid tool in the process of establishing alternative societies, which is the essence of anti-monopolizing I guess.
edit which are the essence of anti-monopolizing I guess.
Edited by Booby (11/09/09 04:19 AM)
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hidenseek
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Re: Pure debate: New weekly PSP feature? [Re: Booby]
#11417238 - 11/09/09 07:02 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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thers new psp features?
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youbreakyoubuy
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so? Who's first? I want to watch! 
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Re: Pure debate: New weekly PSP feature? [Re: Lakefingers]
#11423727 - 11/09/09 11:38 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Lakefingers said:
Debate: Decent idea. Are there enough interested and capable board members?
Watching a debate happen in real time is probably enough to generate interest and an aspiration to capability.
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rebus_minus
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Good idea. I'd be an interested spectator.
Should be possible to find at least 20 highly competent participants among this group though.
I would like to see a showdown between ravus & sclorch. 
Edited by rebus_minus (11/09/09 11:52 PM)
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TheBalance
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Re: Pure debate: New weekly PSP feature? [Re: Icelander]
#11423885 - 11/10/09 12:26 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Icelander said:
Myself, fivepointer, livingdeadman and markos.
The ultimate tag team.
Who is livingdeadman...??
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Icelander
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I think the idea of spectating is a good one. This gives newbies and other the chance to really watch the process without getting emotionally involved. Watch and learn.
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: Pure debate: New weekly PSP feature? [Re: Icelander]
#11424674 - 11/10/09 07:11 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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RationalEgo
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TBH I'll be glad when this format becomes regular. I'm not interested in responding to everyone chiming in randomly with their two cents on a thread all the time. Its not constructive.
If anyone is going to get anywhere philosophically on a forum there must be a proper structured format for debate.
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Icelander
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Re: Pure debate: New weekly PSP feature? [Re: RationalEgo]
#11425281 - 11/10/09 09:41 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Not everything needs to be "constructive". I see room for some of both. I fear if it was serious debate only there would be few folk and few posts. I am looking for some balance.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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