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inski said:
The best thing to do would be to study the form of the basidia if there are any fully formed ones present, especially the length and shape of the sterigmata then compare the findings with normal specimens of Psilocybe semilanceata, I'm going out on a limb and calling them "Weraroa semilanceata" as it rightfully should be named
inski.

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hey inski  do you remenber when we discuss this sort of transformation  may be due a virus or something look what i found
¨Hallen et al. found
strong support for a relationship between Gastrocybe and the
saprotrophic lawn-inhabiting agarics Conocybe, as had been
shown before (Moncalvo et al. 2002), but they suggested that
the ‘gelatinous-liquescent’ fruiting body is actually caused
by a bacterial infection, and that Gastrocybe is ‘sick, not
secotioid’.¨from
http://www.clarku.edu/faculty/dhibbett/Reprints%20PDFs/Hibbett_2007_Goldrush.pdf

i know  you will come to more conclucion after reading  this article  if you have not  inski ...
also  this is also and idea , ¨taxa that contain naturally occurring
developmental mutants with interesting phenotypes
might be attractive. An example is Lentinus tigrinus, which is
a predominantly agaricoid species in which there is a frequently
collected ‘secotoioid’ form that has a gasteromycetelike
enclosed hymenophore (but which retains ballistospory;
Fig 1) (Hibbett et al. 1994).Thesecotioidmorphology in L. tigrinus
appears to be conferred by a recessive allele at a single locus
and it closely resembles the predicted early stages of gasteromycetation
based on the models proposed by Thiers (1984).
Understanding the genetic basis of the secotioid morphology
in L. tigrinus could provide insight into the general phenomenon
of gasteromycetation in agaricomycetes¨
every one should read this , to get  a piece of the puzzle

or maybe the firt that find a hypogeous gasteromycetation on weraroa win.or i should say psilocybe ... or  maybe is the inverse proseess the one that find the first HYPOGEOUS PSILOCYBE  WIN  , you are close inski or we are in the other end , do you have  advantage of your locations or we are about to win the battle , this is really interesting for me , wich  come to link a chain of evolution and how majestic and misterious  fungi are and how little we know yet. no expert around here , we are all learning even the pro ... so who will be the one..
for sure all this finds are remarkable , i can know said is a well idea to preserve the genetic of this specimens  and to try to cultivate it, i got my lesson with the mutand psilocybe  wich aparently is know long gone this are sometimes  dead end in the evolution of the fungi but if we study the they can open a great deal of doors ,  even of perception as some will say......
yeah image an active truffle that will make trip  just to image that ...

for the one that like to get in to this subject  you can revive this thread wich contains high amount of information that through the year is acumulating and we can  be modificating and adding new things.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9499659#9499659
and read all this
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on the subject of weraroa  for those confuse here

http://www.mykoweb.com/articles/Weraroa.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weraroa_novae-zelandiae
A critical revision of the Australian and New Zealand species of the genus Secotium. Proceedings of the Linnean Society of New South Wales 49(2): 97-119.
Singer, R. (1958). New genera of fungi, IX. The probable ancestor of the Strophariaceae: Weraroa gen. nov. Lloydia 21(1): 45-47.

Singer, R.; Smith, A.H. (1958). Studies on secotiaceous fungi. III. The genus Weraroa. Bulletin of the Torrey Botanical Club 85: 324-334
and people really  curious will love this one specially the pictures
http://www.mssf.org/mycena-news/pdf/0809mn.pdf
laugh a bit with michael kuo  and learn taxonomy in the process
http://www.mushroomexpert.com/taxonomy.html


and what will drive inski nut  but  i love you men  but i can´t not call psilocybe zapotecorum other wise well the lattes news i got for ya  weraroa  no no .... sorry psilocybe  well is just right  sorry inski again i ask  guzman about it  and before he die  he is trying to change many things i will post all the new about the congress of micology of mexico that i asitts  and was terrific , there is no way the will call it like that is a battle  for sure and well i will have to eat some weraroa to really get the felling .
but  for sure  the will more rename in the future ... the coin is in the air ....

and what could be more beatifull that say it with this  great semilanceata find haha  sorry can´t help it ...
PROP. 1757, to conserve the name Psilocybe (Basidiomycota) with a conserved type.
Proposed by Scott A. Redhead, Jean-Marc Moncalvo, Rytas Vilgalys, P. Brandon
Matheny, Laura Guzmán-Dávalos & Gastón Guzmán. TAXON 56(1): 255–257.
(2007).
VOTED 1 JUNE (EXTENDED TO 3 JULY) 2009: 13 : 0 : 0: 0 (92.9%). This proposal will be
forwarded to the General Committee as recommended and thus removed from our lists.
COMMITTEE COMMENTS ON PROP. 1757:
NORV 70321: Yet another difficult instance where molecular analyses support
fragmentation of a large, polyphyletic genus, here into two main clades. The authors
make an excellent case for modern recognition of the name Psilocybe through its
(famously) hallucinogenic representatives. The currently accepted lectotype of the
polyphyletic genus is the “common moss inhabiting, non-hallucinogenic species, P.
montana,” a taxon that “does not produce psilocybin and … falls within the other main
clade, which when separated generically, leaves the hallucinogenic species without a
generic name.” Unfortunately, the lectotypification of P. montana [by Donk in 1949,
1962] was preceded by an earlier lectotypification [of P. merdaria by Clements & Shear
in 1931] that “cannot be superseded except by conservation.” The authors therefore
follow an admittedly novel approach by proposing to conserve the name Psilocybe with
yet another proposed lectotype, the well-known hallucinogenic P. semilanceata
(accepted as lectotype between 1938-1968 by many authors), leaving the name
Nomenclature CF Commentary 7 — 6 July 2009 page 12
Deconica (typified by Agaricus physaloides Bull.) available for the non-hallucinogenic
clade.
The authors also offer a second option [B, ‘not recommended’] that would “leave the
typification as generally, but incorrectly, accepted until now”, with P. montana as type,
after explaining that the previously proposed P. merdaria is atypical of the clade and
noting that then a new name would be needed for the hallucinogenic clade. In view of
the nomenclatural arguments and that the often legally controlled hallucinogenic
compounds psilocin and psilocybin are named after the genus, I tend to support
Proposal A with P. semilanceata as type and reject Proposal B with P. montana as type.
PENN 70821: I support the main proposal to conserve Psilocybe as the name for the
/psychedelia clade, with P. semilanceata as conserved type. A manuscript I have
recently reviewed (shortly to be submitted for publication) will add another element to
the mix — the type of the polyphyletic genus Weraroa, W. novae-zelandiae, lies within
the /psychedelia clade and is reputed (according to various web postings) to be
hallucinogenic. This raises the possibility that, if Psilocybe is retained as the name of
the non-hallucinogenic clade (“option B”), the earliest available generic name for the
/psychedelia clade will be Weraroa, typified by a secotioid New Zealand endemic
species. It is not desirable that such a well-known clade/genus should be typified by
such an anomalous species of limited distribution.
DEMO 80102: I would have preferred to see this proposal based on a more specific
taxonomic revision of Strophariaceae than the general tree of Matheny and al. 2006, a
consensus tree that does not allow to judge the branch lengths and do not accept the
ref. Walther et al. 2005 as demonstrating polyphyly (short branch length and a
situation that could well be paraphyly). Nonetheless if people want to split Deconica
from Psilocybe it is better to fix the type of Psilocybe with the best known species. The
intricate typification story, not quite objectively told in the paper, might thus be
forgotten.
REDH 80104: This proposal is based upon the consistent trend seen in phylogenetic
research, both published and on going. Conservation is required in any event because
nobody is using the correct lectotype. Additionally, we can ensure stability by the
suggested choice. Notably I had the various authors, who are experts on Psilocybe all
agree on this proposal. Gastón Guzmán is the world’s expert on Psilocybe. Laura
Guzmán-Dávalos, his daughter and now molecular systematist, obviously supports the
move.


all my best vibrations  for the  evolution of mushrooms ....MUSHROOONS JUST DON´T CARE AS WE CALL THEN
NOW I NEED more mate

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cactu said:

but i do dream with that active truffle  i will find it one day

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