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General.Joker
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Re: bulk substrate preperation [Re: walletJoker]
#11190153 - 10/05/09 11:02 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm building that steamer too.
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13shrooms
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General.Joker said: I'm building that steamer too.
walletJoker? General.Joker?
how many jokers does it take to build a steam pasteurizer? 
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anonjon
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We'd all appreciate it if you post your contraptions. I'd like to know how consistent the temps are in those things, i.e. whether or not u have to monitor them to not exceed pasteurization temps.
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Re: bulk substrate preperation [Re: anonjon]
#11190576 - 10/05/09 11:55 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm wondering that too. I figure that it will take me a few test runs before I am able to calibrate it correctly. I don't know what the best way to check the temps is though. I can rig a thermometer up to the outside but to get the bag internal temps I will have to open it and let all the steam out.
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walletJoker
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General.Joker said: I'm building that steamer too.
So you are also doing a bulk grow? Care to share some details? I'm always looking for another good idea. Thanks
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Re: bulk substrate preparation [Re: 13shrooms]
#11190749 - 10/06/09 12:26 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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how d boo!
i use a crawfish pot
but i bet a trash can with rocks in the bottom and water to the top of the rocks would work too. if you had another can with holes all in it. i bet even a third can to soak the poo in like fill the can with holes in it 3/4 full of poo and dunk in the can with out rocks for 12hrs then move the hole-y can too the rock can and stick a thermo in the top and as soon as you see a jump in temp shut it off. keep an eye on it cuz here the temp is 30's so it cools quick .
i hit 80 deg and let it fall to 65 and cut the burner on till i see a movement in the temp and cut it off and temp hits 80 again. do that for 2 hrs might be 3 times i cut burner on.
i also put past sub in cement mixer. need to clean it good with pressure washer / steamer and wipe down with alcohol. dump 8 gal"dry volume before steam" of pasteurized sub mix " i do 8 gal batches" " might go larger here soon" and 1.2 gal of grain spawn into mixer and mix till well distributed."you are gunna loose water while it cools but you can cool faster in the mixer and add water to field before you spawn it." and then bag like i do
 or put in trays and cover well for 1-1.5 weeks noo peeking. the tube bags are good cuz you can pick your length and do g2g in them too
 tyvek strip added.
good luck and what is your mushroom.
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Re: bulk substrate preparation [Re: ratdog]
#11190892 - 10/06/09 12:51 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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thanks for the post! i plan on renting the cement mixer from the hardware store so i don't know what kind of condition it will be in. how important is it to get it absolutely clean?
also, i didnt realize you can bond tyvek and bags with an impulse sealer. very cool. i plan on doing some b+ and some APE. whats the recipe for your substrate?
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ratdog
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Re: bulk substrate preparation [Re: walletJoker]
#11190947 - 10/06/09 01:01 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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i do oyster a aspen lover type so
4 gal straw 2-3 gal aspen chips 1-2 gal hpoo sup = 2 pints gyp and might add 1/4 brick of coco if i got time and big spoon of lyme.
steam to 180deg hold for 2 hrs minimum drop to 65 deg f.
makes 5--- 1.5-2 foot long bags tube is 4 mill 7 inch on a roll.
i bet this would work for any type of mushroom though. and i have a Shiitake coming up that i will drop the aspen and put in cotton wood too test it on.
clean the shit out of the mixer. give no chance of a foot hold on your bulk for any thing but mushrooms. all other shit must die!
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Re: bulk substrate preparation [Re: ratdog]
#11191008 - 10/06/09 01:12 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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assuming all foreign material is cleaned out of the mixer this will do the job cheap and efficiently.
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DISINFECTANT
*Vinegar and Hydrogen Peroxide as Disinfectants By Judy Stouffer, B.S., M.S., SFO You can make your kitchen a cleaner, safer place and fight bacteria, without exposing yourself and your family to toxic chemicals that also damage the environment. You can use a simple safe disinfecting spray that is more effective than any of the commercial cleaners in killing bacteria. As a bonus, it is inexpensive! Susan Sumner, a food scientist at Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University, worked out the recipe for just such a sanitizing combo. All you need is three percent hydrogen peroxide, the same strength available at the drug store for gargling or disinfecting wounds, and plain white or apple cider vinegar, and a pair of brand new clean sprayers, like the kind you use to dampen laundry before ironing. If you're cleaning vegetables or fruit, just spritz them well first with both the vinegar and the hydrogen peroxide, and then rinse them off under running water. It doesn't matter which you use first - you can spray with the vinegar then the hydrogen peroxide, or with the hydrogen peroxide followed by the vinegar. You won't get any lingering taste of vinegar or hydrogen peroxide, and neither is toxic to you if a small amount remains on the produce. As a bonus: The paired sprays work exceptionally well in sanitizing counters and other food preparation surfaces -- including wood cutting boards. In tests run at Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University, pairing the two mists killed virtually all Salmonella, Shigella, or E. coli bacteria on heavily contaminated food and surfaces when used in this fashion, making this spray combination more effective at killing these potentially lethal bacteria than chlorine bleach or any commercially available kitchen cleaner. The best results came from using one mist right after the other - it is 10 times more effective than using either spray by itself and more effective than mixing the vinegar and hydrogen peroxide in one sprayer. Science News August 8, 1998; Vol. 154, Issue. 6; pg. 83-85 DISINFECTANT SCIENCE
*Best cheapest sanitizing agent I have found is one mist bottle full of white vinegar, another mist bottle full of H202. Spray one on, wait a minute, spray other on, wait a minute, wipe down with clean paper towels (doesn’t matter which is sprayed on - first). That combo will KILL...E-Coli, Salmonella, Aids & host of almost all other nasty stuff, including mold spores. Just prior to using any tray, or container -- alc swab with 70% alc & allow to evap. 70% alc is MORE EFFECTIVE, as evap time is longer than higher % alc. SANITIZING STERILIZER
*Sanitize means to reduce the number of contaminants to a safe or relatively safe level as may be judged by public health requirements. Disinfect means elimination of all recognized pathogenic microorganism but not necessarily all microbial forms. Sterilize means the destruction of all microbial life by use of chemical or physical procedures. DISINFECTANTS
*White vinegar in one spray bottle. 3% peroxide in another spray bottle. Spray one on, give it a moment, spray the other on, give it a few moments.... then wipe down with clean cloth. Cheap & effective to disinfect anything. DISINFECTANT CHEAP
*ALSO Buying in bulk bottles, then filling a spray mist bottle, is a LOT cheaper than buying Lysol in spray cans. Agar is FRUGAL. SANITIZING STERILIZER
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Re: bulk substrate preparation [Re: 13shrooms]
#11191036 - 10/06/09 01:18 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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13shrooms said: assuming all foreign material is cleaned out of the mixer this will do the job cheap and efficiently.
DISINFECTANT CHEAP
*ALSO Buying in bulk bottles, then filling a spray mist bottle, is a LOT cheaper than buying Lysol in spray cans. Agar is FRUGAL. SANITIZING STERILIZER
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what needed to know --- thanks man im running out of bleach.
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Re: bulk substrate preperation [Re: just me]
#11275631 - 10/19/09 06:13 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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walletJoker said:
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13shrooms said:
get a cycle going or find/hire a buddy to help
he is moving in soon. no way i could handle this by myself. i just hope he realizes how much work i have planned for him 
asshole. btw i was wondering why the hell we needed a drill. i think i figured it out via akira
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Re: bulk substrate preperation [Re: jskeems]
#11277271 - 10/19/09 03:07 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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