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 JackofSpades
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 Suicide? 
#11175175 - 10/03/09 12:55 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Why not?
I don't want to kill myself. However, if we are all one and just one mind what happens when you die?
I mean it seems like death is just the death of the ego and not the soul.
The question remains..Why not? What would happen? The idea is kind of tempting in a morbid way...
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 Icelander
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JackofSpades said:
Why not?
I don't want to kill myself. However, if we are all one and just one mind what happens when you die?
I mean it seems like death is just the death of the ego and not the soul.
The question remains..Why not? What would happen? The idea is kind of tempting in a morbid way...
explore and report back.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Kickle
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I think the 'why not' is that life is valuable.
At least it is for me. 
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Re: Suicide? [Re: Kickle]
#11175216 - 10/03/09 01:01 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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But it ends just the same. By committing suicide now you might avoid the disillusionment and decay that will be coming.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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JackofSpades
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Re: Suicide? [Re: Kickle]
#11175298 - 10/03/09 01:12 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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yeah. im currently struggling so i just sort of had to ask.
not in a "I'm going to kill myself way", more in "well, shit sucks right now, apparently the eternal void/cosmos/god/some crazy shit different than this awaits, why not?" kind of way.
I mean, is life really that valuable here--what the fuck is wrong with dying?
I can't recall that last time I was truly ecstatic to wake up and felt optimistic, happy, and free of worry.
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If you're frightened of dying and you're holding on, you'll see devils tearing your life away. But if you've made your peace, then the devils are really angels, freeing you from the earth.
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Icelander
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im currently struggling
This is just the beginning most likely, your're young, just wait a few years and you'll really begin to understand suffering.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Kickle
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I can't recall that last time I was truly ecstatic to wake up and felt optimistic, happy, and free of worry.
Sounds like 3 great reasons to shift the way you're relating to the world.
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Icelander
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Re: Suicide? [Re: Kickle]
#11175359 - 10/03/09 01:21 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey, leave the poor guy alone.
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Kickle
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It's not me that's going to bring change
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Re: Suicide? [Re: Kickle]
#11175432 - 10/03/09 01:31 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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what a shock
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Kickle
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Are you willing to share the Captain Obvious title for a while?
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Icelander
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Re: Suicide? [Re: Kickle]
#11175567 - 10/03/09 02:00 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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I never learned to share.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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cyb3rtr0n
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could someone please prove to me that suicide bombers are in this "better place" they believe to be going after their deed is done for allah?
Im not talking about the good allah, I'm talking about the bad allah. the one molded to fit their particular situation
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tweach1
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cyb3rtr0n said:
could someone please prove to me that suicide bombers are in this "better place" they believe to be going after their deed is done for allah?
Im not talking about the good allah, I'm talking about the bad allah. the one molded to fit their particular situation
I wish I could prove to you that those arabs go to some awesome form of heaven with 100 virgins, but I can't, what I can prove to you, is that when you believe in the ways of the flying spaghetti monster, when you die, your soul will go to heaven, where a hooker bar and a beer volcano provide you unlimited enjoyment that never gets old.
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Re: Suicide? [Re: Kickle]
#11175961 - 10/03/09 03:05 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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cyb3rtr0n said:
could someone please prove to me that suicide bombers are in this "better place" they believe to be going after their deed is done for allah?
Im not talking about the good allah, I'm talking about the bad allah. the one molded to fit their particular situation
They are in a better place, a place where they can't be forced to be angry or guiltily by their religious leaders, nor will they be forced any longer to pass judgment on others or be forced by guilt to murder. They enter a better place, for the fact that they enter the void, the great beyond.
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"The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything."
- Author and former M6/M5 agent John le Carré on Democracy Now.
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Mnboardin
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OP you might find the movie Mishima-A Life in Four Chapters interesting.
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cyb3rtr0n
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cyb3rtr0n said:
could someone please prove to me that suicide bombers are in this "better place" they believe to be going after their deed is done for allah?
Im not talking about the good allah, I'm talking about the bad allah. the one molded to fit their particular situation
They are in a better place, a place where they can't be forced to be angry or guiltily by their religious leaders, nor will they be forced any longer to pass judgment on others or be forced by guilt to murder. They enter a better place, for the fact that they enter the void, the great beyond.
That seems like your view of why they are in a better place based on what you believe they should not have believed in in the first place..
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I'm doing some reading on Jung right now so I'll tell you what he might say about suicide
suicide is just the start of something new, it is equivalent to letting go of your current life and being reborn, although we usually don't think of it that way, because we think death is the end (I suppose Jung believed in an afterlife)
however, suicide is also the failure to keep the psyche in wholeness
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cyb3rtr0n said:
could someone please prove to me that suicide bombers are in this "better place" they believe to be going after their deed is done for allah?
Im not talking about the good allah, I'm talking about the bad allah. the one molded to fit their particular situation
They are in a better place, a place where they can't be forced to be angry or guiltily by their religious leaders, nor will they be forced any longer to pass judgment on others or be forced by guilt to murder. They enter a better place, for the fact that they enter the void, the great beyond.
That seems like your view of why they are in a better place based on what you believe they should not have believed in in the first place..
I suppose, but they have been raised by it and often cannot be released from it except through death. It is important to make that distinction, this is why they do what they do. Compared to others who have been tough the same but choose not to do it.
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"Have you ever seen what happens when a grenade goes off in a school? Do you really know what you’re doing when you order shock and awe? Are you prepared to kneel beside a dying soldier and tell him why he went to Iraq, or why he went to any war?"
"The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything."
- Author and former M6/M5 agent John le Carré on Democracy Now.
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