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 MourningStar
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 Noob monotub question. 
#11149887 - 09/29/09 01:31 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I see a lot of information on Monotubs all over the forum. Especially I see Ohm's tek and large_dose's 6 stacked tubs and his amazing results. But I'm a bit confused by the process compared to fruiting cakes/bulk trays in a shotgun. The shotgun seems to be a great way to assure FAE, but with the monotub, if it's getting sealed for colonization, and then not opened until fruits are ready to harvest, do the polyfill stuffed holes actually provide enough FAE? Also, how is the substrate not too dry to fruit after colonization if it's not getting misted?
I'd REALLY like to make a monotub my next project, but while the teks are great at explaining the how, I'd really like to know more of the actual "why it works"
Thank you.
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thcisme
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Edited by thcisme (11/15/09 09:36 AM)
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fordrew
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I am going to make a monotub for my next grow.
The reason why you do not need fanning or misting is because there is nowhere for the water to escape to if your mono is properly sealed, and the filter should provide plenty of FAE but you need like a fan also to aid. The top should be cut and a transparent material needs allow light in.
During incubation there just need to be something covering the top and there is no need for a fan.
I was wondering the same thing myself except when I read this post I had an epiphany, lol.
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MourningStar
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Re: Noob monotub question. [Re: thcisme]
#11154814 - 09/30/09 03:01 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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thcisme said:
I don't think the substrate will dry out if the moisture content is correct at the start, then you will dunk to rehydrate between flushes.
This has always confused me, how exactly would I go about dunking a bulk tray or a monotub's huge substrate base?
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gardengirl
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I am no expert but I think you can pour water right into the tub (pick any aborts first) and then the whole mass will float a little bit like a huge colonized cake. Then weight it down with something (ideally not killing any pins) and leave alone overnight. Carefully drain water off the next day. My friend's cousin did something like this with his modified monotubs with success. Misting isn't usually needed, unless fruiting is taking unusually long and the surface is getting very dry looking. Hopefully someone more experienced will chime in here to clarify this for you. GL!
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wasting_space
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Re: Noob monotub question. [Re: gardengirl]
#11155225 - 09/30/09 05:29 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Do not "dunk" ur bulks for more than a few hours. They are much more pourous than cakes and can over-hydrate quickly leading to disaster. The polyfill does provide a relatively fine amount of FAE. But more FAE while maintaining proper humidity is what we should all strive for. Do a searh for "Akira Orissa Bulk" His tubs are ballin' and provide a whole shitload of FAE and humidity!
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wasting_space
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Oh yeah, and if the substrate is properly hydrated in the first place dunking shouldn't be necessary to achieve a nice second flush!
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 anonjon
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Some of the advice above is from people who haven't even done a monotub.
To answer your original questions:
It works w/o misting because polyfill is real good at keeping the humidity inside as long as you don't open it up and let it out. Bulk sub holds a lot of water and has no problem creating maximum rh inside the container.
C02 is maintained during colonization by either taping the lower holes close, or putting the entire tub in a closed trash bag. When it's time to fruit, you take it out of the bag, or open the lower holes and install polyfill. You give it lots of light, and kaboom, sea of pins.
You pick up the sub using the plastic as a hammock. So use heavy duty stuff and install it in 1 piece.
It's easier to dunk the sub in a different container because your monotub has holes at substrate level and the sub is very buoyant. Also, using a separate container gives you an opportunity to clean out the monotub.
I haven't seen any problems from doing a longer dunk. Maybe it was just luck, but the sub held up just fine after a 24 hour dunk. I guess it depends what the substrate is. Or maybe the success was due to using heavy plastic to pick it up and move it around.
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