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 Hank, FTW
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 Re: I was at the Washington D.C. Tea Party Protest  [Re: Sombie]
#11073511 - 09/17/09 12:31 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Nah, most liberals I talk to say they don't trust Fox, CNN, MSNBC or any of them.
They might trust sources like the NYT but thats about it. And Newspapers on both sides are a lot more journalistic then T.V. sources (although, still not great).
But I know a great deal many of conservatives who trust fox news, in fact I saw two signs at the protest, one saying "Thank you Fox News" and one saying "CNN = Bias, MSNBC = Bias, ABC = Bias, Fox News = Balanced"
But I don't think they represent the group as a whole, if it did then that would be more damning then the Obama/Hitler signs (and I don't think thats a big deal)
If liberals aren't the ones watching CNN, MSNBC, ABC....where are they getting their ratings?
Democrats.
I am not from America, but I was under the impression most democrats were liberals. What am I missing here?
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Re: I was at the Washington D.C. Tea Party Protest [Re: Hank, FTW]
#11073754 - 09/17/09 01:15 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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The Democrats are a collection of about twenty opposing view points. From Trial Lawyers, to the Unions, there are marxist, communist, liberals, and they follow lock step the orders of their elitist leaders.
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Re: I was at the Washington D.C. Tea Party Protest [Re: C.M. Mann]
#11074335 - 09/17/09 02:54 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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The Democrats are a collection of about twenty opposing view points. From Trial Lawyers, to the Unions, there are marxist, communist, liberals, and they follow lock step the orders of their elitist leaders.
No, thats not at all what I was getting at.
The democrats don't represent liberals because they are corrupt and no better then the GOP.
You could almost call them the center, only that wouldn't be right. They have no morals beyond getting elected and staying elected they never stick to their principals and they are too dickless to stand up to the party that just spent eight years raping us for fun and money and oil.
Basically the party is full of wimps and pimps, and the other party is full of fear mongers and radical religious ideologues.
True liberals, as in freedom loving, progressive people, are left with two very unfavorable choices.
Its like a girl who thinks she can only choice between two men, and one beats her (R) while the other one can't get it up. (D)
If only she would wake up and realize there are other men (parties) to choice from, her life (our country) wouldn't be solved, but would be on the road to recovery at least.
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Re: I was at the Washington D.C. Tea Party Protest [Re: Sombie]
#11074499 - 09/17/09 03:27 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Its like a girl who thinks she can only choice between two men, and one beats her (R) while the other one can't get it up. (D)
best comparison ever.
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Re: I was at the Washington D.C. Tea Party Protest [Re: Sombie]
#11075004 - 09/17/09 07:20 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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> The democrats don't represent liberals because they are corrupt and no better then the GOP.
So liberals cannot be corrupt? Please. 
Regardless, the term "liberal" has so many different meanings, depending upon both context and culture, that your claim "democrats don't represent liberals" is without merit. As defined by most Europeans, I am a liberal in that I want limited government, free trade, and personal responsibility. As defined by most Americans, I am not a liberal, as I want limited government, free trade, and personal responsibility rather than tightly regulated business, social welfare, and limited, but tolerant, personal rights.
> True liberals, as in freedom loving, progressive people
Again, the term "true liberal", even with "freedom loving" and "progressive people" is meaningless. Are progressive people socialist? Are they communist? Do they support a free market? Are they for big government, or limited government, or something in between?
I do agree that the US "two party system" is really only one party with people forced to choose between lesser evils... however, your use of "liberal" is very weak.
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Re: I was at the Washington D.C. Tea Party Protest [Re: Seuss]
#11076053 - 09/17/09 01:06 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm pretty sure that Seuss has classical liberal beliefs in social policy and neo-liberal beliefs in economic policy. I think that classically liberalism is supposed to be furnished with some social programs to assist the poor and has a general opposition to hardline free trade preached by neo-liberals.
However if you did go about calling yourself a liberal, you would not be more inconsistent than many of the politicians world over who run under that label.
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"Have you ever seen what happens when a grenade goes off in a school? Do you really know what you’re doing when you order shock and awe? Are you prepared to kneel beside a dying soldier and tell him why he went to Iraq, or why he went to any war?"
"The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything."
- Author and former M6/M5 agent John le Carré on Democracy Now.
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Re: I was at the Washington D.C. Tea Party Protest [Re: Seuss]
#11076457 - 09/17/09 02:21 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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> The democrats don't represent liberals because they are corrupt and no better then the GOP.
So liberals cannot be corrupt? Please.
Regardless, the term "liberal" has so many different meanings, depending upon both context and culture, that your claim "democrats don't represent liberals" is without merit. As defined by most Europeans, I am a liberal in that I want limited government, free trade, and personal responsibility. As defined by most Americans, I am not a liberal, as I want limited government, free trade, and personal responsibility rather than tightly regulated business, social welfare, and limited, but tolerant, personal rights.
> True liberals, as in freedom loving, progressive people
Again, the term "true liberal", even with "freedom loving" and "progressive people" is meaningless. Are progressive people socialist? Are they communist? Do they support a free market? Are they for big government, or limited government, or something in between?
I do agree that the US "two party system" is really only one party with people forced to choose between lesser evils... however, your use of "liberal" is very weak.
Well, I was just saying that democrats don't represent liberals in any form. You don't feel they represent you, do you?
You are right in that "Liberal" has many different meanings. But my assertion is that democrats don't represent any of them.
If you are a social liberal and you want to be able to do what you want (smoke dope, have an abortion, smoke cigs, eat whatever kind of food you want, etc.) they only represent you on the abortion issue, and nothing else, and for the record I am not as liberal on that particular issue.
If you are an economic liberal and you want socialized medicine, more government regulation, and economic growth through public works well then they sort of kind of represent you there, but because of their corruption they have earmarks and loop holes to help out special interest that are not representative then to what most economic liberals want. But this is where they come closest to representing liberals.
If you are a foreign policy liberal then you want the government to pull out of the middle east, stop aggressive wars, and stop being the police man of the world. They don't represent you there in anyway.
Now I am not saying this is the end all be all of liberal definition, but it is only how I see it. I consider myself a liberal with a streak of national conservatism (my strong preference for state rights, but I would almost argue that should fall under liberalism at this point.) and I fail to see how the democratic party represents me or my fellow liberals in any meaningful way.
Oh, sure they talk a good game, just like the Republicans talk a good game of being about limited government, smaller, balanced budgets and state rights. But once they get into power its a far different story.
Democrats represent democrats. There are people out there who buy the party platform hook, line and sinker. Just like there are people who buy everything the republicans say. I know people who believe every scandal about a democrat and think everyone about a republican is a lie, I know people who are vice versa.
These people are neither Liberal or Conservative. They are only Republicans and Democrats, these are the people the parties represent (because the parties tell them what to think) and they are the biggest danger to our country.
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Re: I was at the Washington D.C. Tea Party Protest [Re: Sombie]
#11076615 - 09/17/09 03:03 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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> You are right in that "Liberal" has many different meanings. But my assertion is that democrats don't represent any of them.
In the US, most people use Liberal and Democrat interchangeably. I don't agree with using the term that way, but when in Rome, do as the Romans... It is a rather unfortunate butchering of the word.
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Re: I was at the Washington D.C. Tea Party Protest [Re: Seuss]
#11076756 - 09/17/09 03:24 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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In the US, most people use Liberal and Democrat interchangeably. I don't agree with using the term that way, but when in Rome, do as the Romans... It is a rather unfortunate butchering of the word.
Oh, I agree.
Just as Conservatism and Republicans are used interchangeably.
But its still wrong.
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Re: I was at the Washington D.C. Tea Party Protest [Re: Sombie]
#11077108 - 09/17/09 04:20 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I suspect liberal/Democrat is a good bit closer than conservative/Republican.
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Re: I was at the Washington D.C. Tea Party Protest [Re: Seuss]
#11077888 - 09/17/09 06:10 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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You have to be liberal to be a Democrat, you have to be Conservative to be a Republican. If Democrats weren't liberal, they wouldn't vote for or approve of their Liberal politicians. People are trying to cloud the issue, but this is one way or the other and is not ambiguous
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Re: I was at the Washington D.C. Tea Party Protest [Re: C.M. Mann]
#11078162 - 09/17/09 06:48 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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> this is one way or the other and is not ambiguous
I suspect that you need to research what "liberal" and "conservative" really mean before making such a silly statement. I'll give you a hint... depending upon where you live, they mean exactly the opposite of how you are using them. My whole point is that the words usage is ambiguous because they are used differently by different cultures.
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Re: I was at the Washington D.C. Tea Party Protest [Re: C.M. Mann]
#11079253 - 09/17/09 09:36 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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C.M. Mann said:
You have to be liberal to be a Democrat, you have to be Conservative to be a Republican. If Democrats weren't liberal, they wouldn't vote for or approve of their Liberal politicians. People are trying to cloud the issue, but this is one way or the other and is not ambiguous
Your idea that there is only one way or the other, that you are either republican or democrat is exactly what is killing this country, and an idea put forth by the two major parties to keep you in line voting for them.
You are to distracted by what the republicans are saying the democrats are doing or what the democrats are saying the republicans are doing that you can't see that there are many other parties for you to pick from and that democrats and republicans don't represent anyone but their corrupt selves.
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Re: I was at the Washington D.C. Tea Party Protest [Re: Seuss]
#11080358 - 09/18/09 12:07 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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> You are right in that "Liberal" has many different meanings. But my assertion is that democrats don't represent any of them.
In the US, most people use Liberal and Democrat interchangeably. I don't agree with using the term that way, but when in Rome, do as the Romans... It is a rather unfortunate butchering of the word.
your not in Rome, or the US, you are on teh internetz. International territory, behave accordingly.
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"The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything."
- Author and former M6/M5 agent John le Carré on Democracy Now.
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Re: I was at the Washington D.C. Tea Party Protest [Re: ScavengerType]
#11080571 - 09/18/09 12:40 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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your not in Rome.
I am... can I do as the romans?
wait, I guess I am a roman
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rule, there are 44 words in the english language that follow the rule. this is
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for education to keep making students stupid
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