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 Psychoactive1984
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The ends don't justify the means... It was more about controlling a populace and retention of power then anything, Hitler was a social genius I'll give you that, but as far as everything else on his track record goes regardless of his intent their was no good justification. Hatred is a very useful medium to cloud judgement and to mobilize a people... one can look to the US and see how it is utilized in regards to the enemy; those terrorists who hate our freedom so we'll begin a war on that basis, as told by shrub.
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 Re: Hitler was not wrong  [Re: Ego Death]
#6970736 - 05/26/07 06:53 PM (5 years, 2 days ago) |
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hitler also smoked a lot of speed
If I remeber rightly his scientists invented methamphetamine.
I think he was injected daily.
meth was actualy created by the japanese not the germans(but the japanese did give it to the germans they had it for quite some time before the world war)
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sandman3698
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Re: Hitler was not wrong [Re: Derami]
#10954143 - 08/28/09 08:51 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hitler was flat-out wrong.
Few generations later, straight from the horse's mouth, pretty much all of Germany is saying that too.
Can't really rely on this since they lost the war. America is responsible for a MUCH worse genocide against the Indians here and yet people pretend like it never happened, if we lost the wars against the natives however then we'd be saying the same thing, how it was wrong of us to give them pox and try and steal their land and unfair business practices {trading beads for miles of land}.
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sandman3698
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Re: Hitler was not wrong [Re: xaxphaanes]
#10954149 - 08/28/09 08:53 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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xaxphaanes said:
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hitler also smoked a lot of speed
If I remeber rightly his scientists invented methamphetamine.
I think he was injected daily.
meth was actualy created by the japanese not the germans(but the japanese did give it to the germans they had it for quite some time before the world war)
And there is evidence of all sides using meth not just the axis.
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sandman3698
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The ends don't justify the means... It was more about controlling a populace and retention of power then anything, Hitler was a social genius I'll give you that, but as far as everything else on his track record goes regardless of his intent their was no good justification. Hatred is a very useful medium to cloud judgement and to mobilize a people... one can look to the US and see how it is utilized in regards to the enemy; those terrorists who hate our freedom so we'll begin a war on that basis, as told by shrub.
that's true but that's really a WAY over simplification. You have to keep in mind that the first world war was not Germany's fault and yet they were forced to take the blame and pay for damages. France was pissed over losing the last war with them, England didn't like how fast their economy was growing and Russia, at that time, owed its entire economy to France. It was called the policy of encirclement.
Edit: Its like three guys coming to your house to kick your ass, all of you end up hospitalized and then you being forced to take the blame and having to pay their hospital bills. which devastates your financial status and the way you look to everyone you know.
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Edited by sandman3698 (08/28/09 09:01 AM)
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if we lost the wars against the natives however then we'd be saying the same thing, how it was wrong of us to give them pox and try and steal their land and unfair business practices {trading beads for miles of land}.
But Americans are saying this. Few people today would deny that we screwed over the Native Americans. That's pretty much common knowledge now. Everyone knows about the Indian wars, and the Trail of Tears, and the treaties we kept breaking. Americans may not think about these things often enough, but most would acknowledge that they happened, and that they were wrong.
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sandman3698
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Re: Hitler was not wrong [Re: Silversoul]
#10954462 - 08/28/09 10:19 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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if we lost the wars against the natives however then we'd be saying the same thing, how it was wrong of us to give them pox and try and steal their land and unfair business practices {trading beads for miles of land}.
But Americans are saying this. Few people today would deny that we screwed over the Native Americans. That's pretty much common knowledge now. Everyone knows about the Indian wars, and the Trail of Tears, and the treaties we kept breaking. Americans may not think about these things often enough, but most would acknowledge that they happened, and that they were wrong.
Yeah but there is also not a thousand video games/movies/books written on the subject like there is with this. Because we were the victors. It's just a "oh yeah that sucks but oh well" type attitude about it. And it was WAY worse than the attempted genocide againts the jews.
Edit: And if you want to learn about it you have to go out of your way.
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What luck for the rulers that men do not think. -Adolf Hitler
Edited by sandman3698 (08/28/09 10:25 AM)
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Lion
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And it was WAY worse than the attempted genocide againts the jews
That's debatable to say the least...
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sandman3698
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Re: Hitler was not wrong [Re: Lion]
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And it was WAY worse than the attempted genocide againts the jews
That's debatable to say the least...
No it isn't. Jews got their own country out of it and there are still a good number of them around, they have museaums, movies, books, i go to a German history section in any book store and it 99 holocaust books to 1 concise history book, then i look to my left and there is another section titled "holocaust history". Indians on the other hand live on shitty reservations and there are only like a thousand pure Indians left divided among many different tribes. The only ones that are doing o.k are the ones that own a casino, whiched just turned them into an americanized perody of themselves. And there is rampant alcohol/meth abuse among them. So how is this "debatable to say the least"?
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Insanity in individuals is something rare -- but in groups, parties, nations, and epochs it is the rule. -Nietzche
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hitler was kinda recruited into being the one too lead the arion race which at the time just meant the race to be the dominant race which would eventually be the basis of future human evolution which of course they believed it was the Germans but in order to multiply and prosper you need land so if it wasnt hitler it would have been someone else
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AcidDropper420
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hitler was kinda recruited into being the one too lead the arion race which at the time just meant the race to be the dominant race which would eventually be the basis of future human evolution which of course they believed it was the Germans but in order to multiply and prosper you need land so if it wasnt hitler it would have been someone else
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Re: Hitler was not wrong [Re: kotik]
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ive heard more convincing arguments that Hitler singled out the Jews because of his deep occult beliefs, and his subscribing to the Jewish conspiracy, which many neo-nazis, non-nazis and ant-nazis believe today.
That's the one!
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GI_Luvmoney
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Re: Hitler was not wrong [Re: Ginseng1]
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Did WWI, the great depression and inflation in Germany have anything to do with the rise of the Nazis? Why did WWI happen? France and England had a lot of colonies around the world at one time. Was part of their motivation for declaring war on Germany in WWI to keep Germany out of the colony business?
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sandman3698
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Did WWI, the great depression and inflation in Germany have anything to do with the rise of the Nazis? Why did WWI happen? France and England had a lot of colonies around the world at one time. Was part of their motivation for declaring war on Germany in WWI to keep Germany out of the colony business?
Kinda, England was worried since Germany's economy was growing so fast, they were worried of the competition. France was still very revengeful over losing land in the previous war. and Russia owed its economy to France so it pretty much had to back France in whatever they decided. Russia and Germany were actually at pretty close relations about a decade before the war.
Edit: sorry didn't actually answer fully your question. All three of those countries banding together was called "The policy of Encirclement" by the English. So we know Germany lost and was forced to both take the blame and pay reparations to the allied countries. That caused the depression. So you can imagine how the Germans felt. Especially since it actually was not their fault at all. So the Nazi's come along and promise to rebuild Germany's economy, which they did, Then started talking about revenge, which you have to admit if you were a German in Germany at that time the idea of revenge would be pretty appealing.
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Insanity in individuals is something rare -- but in groups, parties, nations, and epochs it is the rule. -Nietzche
What luck for the rulers that men do not think. -Adolf Hitler
Edited by sandman3698 (09/03/09 05:40 PM)
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myshroomyhead
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Adolf Hitler is a poor guy and not responsible for most of the cruelty. The executive persons, Himmler and other guys did cause the most suffering.
Edited by myshroomyhead (09/11/09 07:34 AM)
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Re: Hitler was not wrong [Re: Grok]
#11040219 - 09/11/09 11:23 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hitler was a product of the collective consciousness of his time (one that hasn't really changed much since then). His ideology is far less crazy than the fact that an ENTIRE nation ( Nationalism ) went along with it. You can claim he was deranged etc but that's a limited view of the whole situation.
I don't believe that anything is really right or wrong with anything anyone does. There's some book that says "The purpose of the Hitler experience was to show humanity to itself." It was a reflection of the collective consciouness and there are a lot of people today who would eliminate homosexuals, for instance, in a similar fashion if it was up to them. We all have a Hitler inside of us.
True that.
Most people pretend like they don't have a dark side inside.
Look up carl jung and the shadow.
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"The Government of the Reich, who regard Christianity as the unshakable foundation of the morals and moral code of the nation, attach the greatest value to friendly relations with the Holy See and are endeavouring to develop them."
-Adolf Hitler, in his speech to the Reichstag on 23 March 1933
"Almighty God. Dear heavenly father in thy name let us now in pious spirit begin our instruction, enlighten us. Teach us all truth, strengthen us in all that is good, lead us not into temptation, deliver us from all evil in order that, as good human beings, we may faithfully perform our duties and thereby, in time and eternity, be made truly happy. Amen."
-Adolf Hitler
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