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Internet mushroom reference - USA?
    #10994802 - 09/03/09 10:11 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Hey, is there one single awesome exhaustive mushroom photo database online somewheres?  I've seen a few of the odd sites, but was wondering if i'm missing a big central one, or at least US or even Georgia or Southeast.


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Re: Internet mushroom reference - USA? [Re: whoever]
    #10994905 - 09/03/09 10:25 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

There a number of sites with great keys and information. Mushroom Expert is a great one. For collaborative help on identification (if, of course, you couldn't find information here first), Mushroom Observer is helpful


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Re: Internet mushroom reference - USA? [Re: kydelic]
    #10995288 - 09/03/09 11:13 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Well it would be useful if there were one database.  Isn't this something high school kids or someone could be doing, learning photography, geography, responsibility, etc., then reviewed and verified each year by students at every State University, certified and upped to a structured database?  If we could sift all the mushrooms in an area onto one page it'd save so much googling and pestering people and just not knowing, and then people will be less scared because we'll all know mushrooms better.  How *do* we determine edibility, anyway?  What *are* the kids doing all day in high school?  Since google and wiki were invented, i don't like -not knowing- anymore.  :frown:  and there's no more campfires.  :frown:  and mushroomobserver doesn't make any sense  :frown:  yet


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Re: Internet mushroom reference - USA? [Re: whoever]
    #10995390 - 09/03/09 11:29 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Mushroom observer is just for posting pictures and details of finds and the community votes on what they think it is. A lot of professional mycologists there. As for students at universities...I'm a university student at one of the largest state unis in the nation, and we don't even have a mycology major, there are only 2 classes which are taught together to a total of 12 students (I am one of them), most of which are there for plant pathology studies. I'm there for fun, and it's quite a heady class.

I guess my point is, there isn't much of an interest, unfortunately, in mycology, and not enough for students to be trying their hands at identifying, which I don't think is the best idea without a lot of hands-on practice.


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Re: Internet mushroom reference - USA? [Re: kydelic]
    #10995599 - 09/04/09 12:04 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

i'm going to guess that if there exist
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A lot of professional mycologists



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at one of the largest state unis in the nation......total of 12 students



somebody along the way wasn't any good at grant writing.

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not enough for students to be trying their hands at identifying, which I don't think is the best idea without a lot of hands-on practice.




i guess that's why they're out there getting it on their own...

so where do the Observer mycologists hail from, mostly?


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Re: Internet mushroom reference - USA? [Re: kydelic]
    #10995669 - 09/04/09 12:16 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Mushroom observer is just for posting pictures and details of finds and the community votes on what they think it is.




/observer/intro?_js=off&_new=true

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A lot of professional mycologists there.




http://mushroomobserver.org/observer/show_user/1088


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Re: Internet mushroom reference - USA? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #10997412 - 09/04/09 08:20 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

So because there are amateurs there are no professionals? What?

I honestly don't care if you use the site or not, it's been a good resource for me and helped me a ton with ids, I was just suggesting it to be helpful. Most of the pro mycologists on there seem to hail from the west and I live in the southeast, plus most of them are much older. I think at my uni we have 15 or so mycology staff (phds and all) but mycology isn't restricted to mushrooms either.


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Re: Internet mushroom reference - USA? [Re: kydelic]
    #10998278 - 09/04/09 01:17 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I didn't mean to be an ass, just surprised i guess that there isn't more extensive universal organized reference.  I guess there hasn't been much money in mushrooms?  Too bad, because i could make hunting them a career of choice for sure.

The Observer is a very good idea, and if that's what we have to work with, at least it's live, just needs more contrib and development.  Hope by the time it's grown up all the fungi haven't all gone and morphed into something elses...


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Re: Internet mushroom reference - USA? [Re: whoever]
    #10998613 - 09/04/09 02:23 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I didn't mean to be an ass, just surprised i guess that there isn't more extensive universal organized reference.  I guess there hasn't been much money in mushrooms?  Too bad, because i could make hunting them a career of choice for sure.




It's all good, I was tired and cranky as well (my mycology class is way too early in the morning). The main problem with attempting a large, universal field guide is that it still doesn't provide definite identification conclusions, that really only comes with experience or DNA barcoding (which is actually being done now)...the extra human input on Mushroom Observer is excellent for pointing out what you may have missed, opening new lines of thought for identification, etc. Mushroom Expert is good for its keys and short articles on most known species.

As for the money aspect of mycology: there doesn't seem to be a ton of it to go around. I was thinking about this earlier today, and I think mycology is really only a graduate specialization, usually within botany (yep, most universities still lump mycology with botany), plant pathology, or food sciences/ag. The majority of the research into fungi goes towards biocontrol of pest insects and plant pathology for cropgrowers, which generally deals with the non basidiomycetes, the traditional mushrooms (however, there is one genus, clodyceps, I believe, that infects ants and other insects, hijacks their nervous system and forces them to climb high, then they grow out their fruiting body from the insect's head...those are cool as fuck).

There is a lot of research to be done on the fungi, especially with newer DNA technologies allowing for much better classification, the problem is there isn't a lot that can be done aside from furthering our own knowledge. Perhaps after I graduate I'll see what more I can do for mycology, but my major right now is neurobiology, so grad school might stick with that or attempt to do something with both. :shrug:


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Re: Internet mushroom reference - USA? [Re: kydelic]
    #11000805 - 09/04/09 09:26 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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infects ants and other insects, hijacks their nervous system and forces them to climb high, then they grow out their fruiting body from the insect's head




Think I might have seen something like that in a Stamets video that's kicking around.  If there's one for houseflies/mosquitos i'll buy it.  He btw seems to have found something tradeworthy in the field.

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That's what i'm talking about.  No more of this 'we're just not sure if it's edible' 'don't dare try it' routine.  I would buy a mushroom toxin test kit.  But it's the job of the phd's and engineers to capitalize on these things and bring them within reach of the dumb consumer. 

It just seems so wrong not to know what mushrooms great grandma used to put in the stew...

and on retrospect i probably did mean to be an ass, just usually wiser not to.  :smile:


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Re: Internet mushroom reference - USA? [Re: whoever]
    #11001079 - 09/04/09 10:15 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

for the amatoxins, you shoudld know about the meixner test

i wouldn't trust my life to it though.

with a bit of chromatography background, a test for other of the dangerous toxins, such as hydrazines might be easier than you think.


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Re: Internet mushroom reference - USA? [Re: canid]
    #11003091 - 09/05/09 08:11 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

If you're interested on DNA sequencing I'd check out the diybio movement, you can build your own PCR machines and all that


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