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 Kickle
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 The 4 Elements... and what the hell is TIME? 
#10970304 - 08/31/09 01:41 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I went out camping with 2 of my good buddies and a girl I'd never met before.
The two buds rode up in a truck, while I rode with the girl to get better acquainted.
It was an interesting ride.
My buddy had previously told me that this girl is crazy.
Her friends call her Anna banana because she's so whacked.
Soon as I got into the car with her, she tells me that she knows what I'm thinking and she'll know if I start wondering too much.
I knew the night was going to be fun.
After taking a road up to the highest point, the girl and I parked in the grass overlooking the valleys below. We piled everything into the mutual friend's truck, and drove up the ridge a bit. We find a flat spot nestled in the trees overlooking all sorts of goodness. There's a river I can hear in the distance, but even with our height, the trees have it hidden from view. The air smells so good. We all pile out and start setting up camp. A great big fire ring made of any number of stones. Some of the mountain is quartz chunks breaking out from beneath the earth, and we scoop the purest of them for our ring.
We all down varying degrees of mushrooms, myself doing 2.5g. With tents set up, a fire burning in our pit, and a little over an our of daylight left, we begin the night. We go scavenging for wood, get a good pile up, and settle down to relax. The trip starts to kick in. Someone is commenting about the cartoony nature of the world around him. Another is in giggle fits. I'm slowly tending the fire, watching it burn. I grab an ice tea out of the cooler, and instantly start attracting bees to myself.
I'm one of those guys who swells up real nice if I get stung, so I've got reason for my discomfort around bees. Well, I decided to make a stand. Pull a little psychological treatment on myself, and remove my anxiety. So I let the bee get close... closer... land on me... crawl on me. Before long, he flys away. Then two come back, and then a third, and a fourth. They're crawling between my hands, I'm just breathing steadily and observing. Finally, my fellow campers demand I take the tea and the bees away. So I oblige, and finish my tea off to the side. Very nice to have that anxiety, that fear, lessened.
So I come back to the fire as it is finally starting to darken up outside. The girl is just busy singing her song... hypnotizing the fellas. It was amazing to watch. I was witnessing a full blown witch, or shaman, or something in action. She would just suggest they do something, and they'd do it... "you should have some of this water" [we had 2 gallon jugs, but she made them drink from a blue metal container...] "it's sooooo cold..." And they'd drink, and I could just tell that she'd used magic on the water.
I even fell for it, even though I watched it all unfold. She hit my spot of least resistance. I had been wanting to lay down and look at the stars, and she played that.
'you should lay down and look at the stars.'
'I'd rather not get dirtier than I have to.'
'Grab a mat, then'
'Are there any extras?'
'Don't you have one?' [knowing full well that it was in my tent]
'Yeah, but it's in my tent all set up.'
'Oh, that's too bad, I guess you'll just have to share mine'
She got me to lay down and look at the stars, and she produced an incredible illusion with the stars. Making a small chunk swirl and dance. It appeared separate from what was there, though. As though it was laid on top of the stars, rather than being the stars themselves. It was blacker in the space surrounding the moving stars, and it just made me uneasy that I'd been smooth talked into laying down like that.
Anyways, the night wore along very well. The turning point was when I was observing the elements around me. I knew which of us was fire... my buddy has the devil within him. It's always a trip to speak with him when shrooming... I get the distinct impression that upon dying (in a car wreck) he made a deal with the devil, or some intense demon, to return here. He was in a coma for several weeks, perhaps that's when? Anyways, he definitely doesn't deny it. He becomes an entirely different person when I speak to that part of him. It's almost like a split personality. So he is most assuredly fire.
My other buddy was water. He's liquid sex. He kept grabbing ice from the cooler and melting it between his hands, letting the liquid drip off of him. We've had telepathic connections in the past, and I can definitely see the water aspect of him. So as I'm thinking this all out, I get to the girl in my train of thought. What is she? And just as I think that, she says, "You'll be surrounded by the 4 elements, if you take off your shoes."
So she's wind. Alright... and I start watching the wind. She was REALLY fucking with it. Making it spin inside of the fire, causing crazy swirls with the flame. I'd never seen the wind do that before, kinda made me wonder what all she was capable of. So I removed my shoes and connected to the Earth. And then something interesting happened. Having all of creation surround me, every aspect, really made me the Dreamer. As though reality were nothing but my dream. That the illusion of separation finally dissolved into nothingness. I watched as this girl would play out a story with her two puppets, and I was the spectator for her story, her show. At one point I was a rude observer... I asked my friends if they wanted to stop being puppets. The one stopped mid-sentence... looked a bit baffled, and then started laughing. The other just stumbled away, as though he'd just woken up from a daze.
I talked briefly with the girl about the dream. That if I am the dreamer, than everything is my creation. And she definitely seemed shocked by the comment. She said, "everything but the wind," but I didn't budge, and a few seconds later she said, "ok, even the wind." I told her that I believed in giving the power to the people, give them the right to choose what they want to do in the dream. I don't want to direct them, I want them to act how they want. And I don't want them to fall under her spell either, because then they are once again not choosing. That's why I'd asked if they wanted to stop being puppets. That's why I gave them their power back.
As the night wore on, I took off from the fire for a solo walk in the darkness. I still didn't have my shoes on, but I knew that the Earth was a part of me, and my guide. I walked with it, just following the sensation on my feet. I walked into a meadow I've been in before. There is a circle of trees surrounding it, and above, nothing but star upon star. Keep in mind, I'm probably at 4,000-5,000 feet above sea level, with no water in sight, only in sound. The earth is dry beneath my feet, yet, as I continue out it begins to feel wet... marshy. Like I'm walking in a swamp. There are some high pitched insects (possibly crickets?) with enough numbers to make it sound as a high pitched humming was going. I feel a vibration... I feel pulled from my body, but I don't actually leave. I just stumble a little and return. I get the sensation that I've just traveled.
The details of what I saw when I came to are going to be left out of this thread, because it is a discussion for another time.
So I return to the campfire which is now abandoned. Barely burning. So I tend it briefly, burn it down to coals, and crawl into my tent. Reality started to wear on me a bit. The responsibility of being THE dreamer started to eat at me. For how can I perceive time? How can anything be separate from me? There are no others, and there is nothing that is separate from me. And I started to lose my grip on time. I started with a guy I work with. He is 6 years older than me, and looks just like me. Some have asked if we are twins. In terms of Jungian typology, we are what is referred to as 'identical.' I started looking at differences between me and him... how the age gap might correlate to that. I started thinking of my father, of how he has already experienced what I am experiencing. He told me after one of our recent conversations "I know, you're talking to a traveller." I started to picture how he might be a representation of a future me. I started thinking about something that I've done in the past. Leaving myself messages in time.
So I basically obliterated time momentarily, imagining myself as all these various stages of life, all these different ages. I pictured it like choosing out of an infinitely large deck of cards which time and body to enter. Actually, it was more of a pyramid, with different faces/ages/times drifting along each tier as a card that is dragged across a carnival shooting game. Each one is available to you, and you can enter any one at any time. Just another form of traveling. It felt as though everything now is constant messages from the future in which I continually refine my direction. As though I come back not only to offer advice from years ahead, but also to see where I currently am, make adjustments, and send them back through time. So I learn from my future self, and my future self learns from me. And all of this manifests as dream characters in waking life. The messages are passed in the dream.
Edited by Kickle (08/31/09 02:12 AM)
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jivJaN
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Re: The 4 Elements... and what the hell is TIME? [Re: Kickle]
#10973355 - 08/31/09 05:37 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I am happy for you.
And admire your action to stop the puppetry.
As for time.. you came to a not uncommon realization.
I would suggest.. understanding it... yet not integrating into every day life.
It might turn out to be too overwhelming to experience this while we still ride in linear time.
Anna does indeed intrigue me and i wish i had the opportunity like yourself , to meet this female.
It is a very funny event to exhibit the power of your own free will to somebody playfully exploiting it.
witnessing their reaction is priceless.
like taking candy from a child... 
anyhow...
what happens when you make an analogy between that experience with her..
and the bees at the beginning ?
perhaps.. letting somebody 'walk on you' isnt always a bad idea ?
nice post
curious about the part you left out.
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Kickle
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Re: The 4 Elements... and what the hell is TIME? [Re: jivJaN]
#10974114 - 08/31/09 07:22 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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It is a very funny event to exhibit the power of your own free will to somebody playfully exploiting it.
witnessing their reaction is priceless.
like taking candy from a child...
Hahaha. I should have caught on sooner than I did.
When I was in the car with her, and she first learned that we had plans to shroom, she said some strange things.
When I told her that I'm the one of the group that has the ability to say 'no' to drugs, she got quite inquisitive.
She started assuming that I don't do drugs, to which I had to deny.
'no, I do drugs, I just have the ability to say 'no' when I'm not feeling it'
'Oh, is that so?'
'yeah...'
And then, on down the road, as we stopped at a gas station to pick up some drinks and snacks, my friend pressed me to munch down the mushrooms so they'd be kicking in by the time we got to the camp sight.
I told him no.
'There's that no again,' she said
I should have expected her to test me on it.
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anyhow...
what happens when you make an analogy between that experience with her..
and the bees at the beginning ?
It was definitely a good experience to have, albeit trippy as all get out.
I did willfully lay down. I could have opted not to, but I didn't. Her offer was too tempting.
It actually leads to a chicken or the egg analogy for me.
Did I want to lay down, before she asked? Yes.
Did I want to lay down next to her before she asked? I'm not sure.
So was it my intention that existed first, and she played on it, or did she plant a seed and then use words appropriately so as to give it water and nourishment, letting it grow into action?
She was already laying down looking at the stars, and it did spur that thought in me -- that looks like a good idea.
Would that same thought have occurred without her?
Thanks for taking the time to read it
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 c0sm0nautt
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Re: The 4 Elements... and what the hell is TIME? [Re: Kickle]
#10974354 - 08/31/09 08:02 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I enjoyed reading that experience. If time does have this illusory nature, which I believe it does, do you think we can tap into past and future lives as well?
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Kickle
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Re: The 4 Elements... and what the hell is TIME? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#10974423 - 08/31/09 08:13 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I dunno.
I wish I'd been able to inspect the pyramid a little more.
If it's a pyramid... what is at the top? Is that the 'me' that is directly perceived? The one which is the focal point of my life?
Or is it an ideal self?
A Godhead?
I never went that far up the pyramid...
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Re: The 4 Elements... and what the hell is TIME? [Re: Kickle]
#10975777 - 08/31/09 11:24 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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If you believe in the immortal soul, perhaps that is the capstone.
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Re: The 4 Elements... and what the hell is TIME? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#10983088 - 09/02/09 12:08 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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That's a hell of a story. It made me so interested I think you should post the part you left out...
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Krash Kharma
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Re: The 4 Elements... and what the hell is TIME? [Re: Kickle]
#10985493 - 09/02/09 12:01 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Kickle said:
I dunno.
I wish I'd been able to inspect the pyramid a little more.
If it's a pyramid... what is at the top? Is that the 'me' that is directly perceived? The one which is the focal point of my life?
Or is it an ideal self?
A Godhead?
I never went that far up the pyramid...
Well, logically, since I'm definitely here experiencing this right now, and have also been aware of myself as The Dreamer for quite some time, the top of the pyramid would then have to be the point where my... let's call it core; my awareness/me/I/ego/non-ego/soul/whatever; the point where my core and your core and everyone elses realizes that they're all not they and are really just that one, single core.
It's like the episode of Foster's Home For Imaginary Friends where they all get stuck in a toy box that has one kid-spirit thing, just a set of eyeballs and a mouth, and hundreds of toys running around doing what their particular toy does (wife toy, husband toy, knight toy, etc) and he jumps from toy to toy and enlivens it momentarily.
Except, I&I* can break off as many times as I&I want to, so I&I can have this trip with all these "people", then tell it to a bunch of other "people", not having been aware that I&I might've taken this trip at all, sitting at home alone with I&I girlfriend in bed, and eventually coming on the shroomery, seeing this thread and responding to it like so.
Edit:
Considering some of your friends are more aware of themselves as (or perhaps you and the delusional and manipulative girl you were with are more aware of them as) elements/actors rather than observers/experiencers, this presumably just goes to show how deeply involved one can be in these "cards" we're playing.
Some people play Halo and just like to run around and play the game and have fun; some people really think they're aliens on a ring in space and they must fulfill their duty. 
*I&I: Rastafari denomination for "I" or "me" or "mine"
it means I and my higher consciousness, namely Jah Rastafari.
"I&I hope that the I overstand the meaning of I-man words"
OH!
<-also interested in the stuff you left out <3
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Edited by Krash Kharma (09/02/09 12:17 PM)
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Re: The 4 Elements... and what the hell is TIME? [Re: ElevatedMinds]
#10995739 - 09/04/09 12:31 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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ElevatedMinds said:
That's a hell of a story. It made me so interested I think you should post the part you left out...
Yeah, I'm curious as to where you traveled before heading back to the fire.
It's usually interesting to trip with new people.. usually.
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Re: The 4 Elements... and what the hell is TIME? [Re: citricacidx]
#11005051 - 09/05/09 06:04 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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citricacidx said:
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ElevatedMinds said:
That's a hell of a story. It made me so interested I think you should post the part you left out...
Yeah, I'm curious as to where you traveled before heading back to the fire.
It's usually interesting to trip with new people.. usually.
Subscibed to see what the other part consists of 
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Edited by œȾȿȝȴɧʢǥ (ȏɟ/ȿɮ/ɷɖ 68:82 PM)
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