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Salvia on Schedule: Law, Medicine and a Hallucinogen (Scientific American Aug. 2009)
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Salvia on Schedule: Law, Medicine and a Hallucinogen Scheduling the mind-altering herb as a controlled substance could slow medical research By David Jay Brown
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As the source of the most powerful natural hallucinogen known, salvia is drawing scrutiny from U.S. authorities who want to restrict this Mexican herb, now used recreation ally by some. But neuroscientists worry that controlling it before studies have determined its safety profile is premature and could hamper research of the drug's medicinal value. Increasingly, evidence is piling up that it could lead to new and safer anti depressants and pain relievers, as well as even help in improving treatments for such mental illnesses as schizophrenia and addiction.
The plant, formally known as Salvia divinorum, has a long tradition of shamanic usage by the Mazatec people of central Mexico. Salvinorin A, the primary psychoactive component, is part of a class of naturally occurring organic chemicals called diterpenoids, and it affects neural receptors in the brain similar to those that respond to opiate painkillers such as morphine—but without euphoric and addictive properties. That is because salvinorin A binds mostly to only one type of receptor (the so-called kappa opioid receptor) and not significantly to receptors that could lead to addiction (such as the mu opioid receptor).
As the popularity of salvia has risen over the past 16 years—its psychoactive properties were discovered in 1993 by Daniel Siebert, an independent ethnobotanist based in Malibu, Calif.—calls to treat the plant as an illegal drug have grown louder. Twelve states have recently placed S. divinorum in their most restrictive controlled substance category, and four others have laws restricting sales. The U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration has listed salvia as “a drug of concern” and is looking into the drug to determine whether it should be declared a Schedule I controlled substance, on par with heroin and LSD.
The unusual properties of salvinorin A intrigue scientists. Psychiatric researcher Bruce Cohen and his colleagues at Harvard Medical School have been developing analogues of salvinorin A and studying their possible mood-modulating properties. The team’s work with salvinorin A in animals suggests “that a drug that would block kappa opioid receptors might be an antidepressant drug—probably a nonaddictive one—or a mood stabilizer for patients with bipolar disorder,” Cohen remarks. By activating the kappa opioid receptors, drugs such as salvinorin A could reduce dependence on stimulants and the mood-elevating and mood-rewarding effects of cocaine. Because salvinorin A can produce distortions of thinking and perception, researchers speculate that blocking the receptors might alleviate some symptoms of psychoses and dissociative disorders.
Some investigators, including the team at Harvard, believe that modified forms of salvinorin A could bolster its medicinal value. Tom Prisinzano, a medicinal chemist at the University of Kansas, points out that some chemical transformations of salvinorin A have different pharmacological abilities—such as a longer-lasting action or an enhanced ability to bind to receptors—and no hallucinogenic properties. Modifying its novel structure, he says, “could potentially treat a number of different central nervous system disorders.”
But if salvinorin A becomes a federally scheduled drug, research on it would become “much more difficult,” predicts Rick Doblin, director of the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies, a nonprofit based in Santa Cruz, Calif. Prisinzano agrees, saying that “there will be a lot more paperwork involved,” subsequently making approval for clinical studies harder to obtain. For example, human studies with LSD were essentially blocked for more than 35 years because of federal restrictions, and currently only one human study with LSD is being conducted in the world. As Doblin puts it, approval boards at universities and research institutions view proposals involving criminalized drugs with extreme caution. “And funders are reluctant to look at potentially beneficial uses of drugs of abuse,” he adds.
Right now only two labs conduct human studies with salvinorin A: one run by psychiatric researchers Deepak Cyril D’Souza and Mohini Ranganathan, both at the Yale University School of Medicine, and the other by pharmacologist John Mendelson of the University of California, San Francisco. Both groups are performing preliminary tests to determine how best to administer salvinorin A to human volunteers and collect basic data. D’Souza and Ranganathan argue that scheduling the drug should wait until evidence about its effects and toxicity become clear.
The neuroscience community has yet to throw its collective weight behind formal battles against legal restrictions. “This has been more of a simmering back-burner than a flaming front-burner issue. Still, the issue is a serious one, with implications for policy, drug enforcement and research,” Cohen says. Many people have begun letter-writing campaigns to their representatives in Washington, D.C. Scientists as much as salvia fans undoubtedly hope that such grassroots activity could eventually alter the government’s mind.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=salvia-on-schedule
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Re: Salvia on Schedule: Law, Medicine and a Hallucinogen (Scientific American Aug. 2009) [Re: learningtofly]
#10811537 - 08/06/09 03:48 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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We must protect the children by making these substances illegal so that they can go into black markets and we can give them a ride home to jail.
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Re: Salvia on Schedule: Law, Medicine and a Hallucinogen (Scientific American Aug. 2009) [Re: Lennyk]
#10811568 - 08/06/09 03:53 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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did you read the article? it says criminalization = bad
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Re: Salvia on Schedule: Law, Medicine and a Hallucinogen (Scientific American Aug. 2009) [Re: learningtofly]
#10811629 - 08/06/09 04:03 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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As the source of the most powerful natural hallucinogen known, salvia
errrrrrrrrrrrr wrong answer try again
good article though
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Re: Salvia on Schedule: Law, Medicine and a Hallucinogen (Scientific American Aug. 2009) [Re: percievethedoor]
#10811685 - 08/06/09 04:12 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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As the source of the most powerful natural hallucinogen known, salvia
errrrrrrrrrrrr wrong answer try again
salvinorin a is active at 200 micrograms potency is the only way to objectively measure powerfulness
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Re: Salvia on Schedule: Law, Medicine and a Hallucinogen (Scientific American Aug. 2009) [Re: golden1]
#10811865 - 08/06/09 04:48 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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LSD is active (threshold) at what, 20-30 micrograms? i think LSD > salvinorin, on that basis.
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Re: Salvia on Schedule: Law, Medicine and a Hallucinogen (Scientific American Aug. 2009) [Re: golden1]
#10811902 - 08/06/09 04:53 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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The team’s work with salvinorin A in animals suggests “that a drug that would block kappa opioid receptors might be an antidepressant drug—probably a nonaddictive one—or a mood stabilizer for patients with bipolar disorder,” Cohen remarks. By activating the kappa opioid receptors, drugs such as salvinorin A could reduce dependence on stimulants and the mood-elevating and mood-rewarding effects of cocaine.
now i can see why they want it banned it makes perfect sense its not cuz its addicting its b/c its anti-addicting
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Re: Salvia on Schedule: Law, Medicine and a Hallucinogen (Scientific American Aug. 2009) [Re: dysphoria]
#10811909 - 08/06/09 04:55 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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right.. but LSD isn't natural it's synthesized
"As the source of the most powerful natural hallucinogen known, salvia "
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Re: Salvia on Schedule: Law, Medicine and a Hallucinogen (Scientific American Aug. 2009) [Re: golden1]
#10811991 - 08/06/09 05:08 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Getting things band is a hobby for mothers, and makes the politicians in the system seem useful.
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Re: Salvia on Schedule: Law, Medicine and a Hallucinogen (Scientific American Aug. 2009) [Re: golden1]
#10812150 - 08/06/09 05:34 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Isn't DMT the most powerful natural hallucinogen known?
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Re: Salvia on Schedule: Law, Medicine and a Hallucinogen (Scientific American Aug. 2009) [Re: golden1]
#10812302 - 08/06/09 05:55 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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golden1 said: right.. but LSD isn't natural it's synthesized
"As the source of the most powerful natural hallucinogen known, salvia "
and he wasn't in reference to LSD..... you could call on a number of "more powerful" enthobotanicals. Like, yes, DMT, a salt not only produced in our own minds, but also in numerous other forms of matter. Not to mention Peyote Mescaline.... natural. LSA.... natural. Salvia was pretty uncontrollable trippy, but DMT still farmore... divine. AND EVEN SO - you could argue that Datura, also natural, is even more powerful than any other already listed substance.
people are going to trip if they want, and the stupid people will hurt themselves. it's called natural selection.... ;p
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Re: Salvia on Schedule: Law, Medicine and a Hallucinogen (Scientific American Aug. 2009) [Re: learningtofly]
#10812311 - 08/06/09 05:57 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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learningtofly said: did you read the article? it says criminalization = bad
Citizen I am the law god and I say this science work of satan must be kept out of the hands of the poor children to protect them to save their souls.
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Re: Salvia on Schedule: Law, Medicine and a Hallucinogen (Scientific American Aug. 2009) [Re: Lord Mayonnaise]
#10812317 - 08/06/09 05:59 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Lord Mayonnaise said: Isn't DMT the most powerful natural hallucinogen known?
S'what I'd thought too, but I'm not a chemist, so
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Re: Salvia on Schedule: Law, Medicine and a Hallucinogen (Scientific American Aug. 2009) [Re: dysphoria]
#10812348 - 08/06/09 06:04 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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dysphoria said: LSD is active (threshold) at what, 20-30 micrograms? i think LSD > salvinorin, on that basis.
You missed the operative word "natural." LSD is man-made. Salvia IS the most potent NATURALLY OCCURRING hallucinogen (actually dissociative) currently known.
DMT is active in the milligram range (15 - 30) so it is not even a contender compared to salvinorin A.
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Re: Salvia on Schedule: Law, Medicine and a Hallucinogen (Scientific American Aug. 2009) [Re: Naxx]
#10812372 - 08/06/09 06:09 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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an active dose of DMT is in milligrams and an active dose of salvinorin a is in micrograms
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Lord Mayonnaise


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Re: Salvia on Schedule: Law, Medicine and a Hallucinogen (Scientific American Aug. 2009) [Re: golden1]
#10812429 - 08/06/09 06:21 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Oh yeah, milligrams and micrograms...slipped right by me. It makes perfect sense.
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Re: Salvia on Schedule: Law, Medicine and a Hallucinogen (Scientific American Aug. 2009) [Re: Lord Mayonnaise]
#10812618 - 08/06/09 06:51 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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i believe salvinorin A actually works in nanograms
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Re: Salvia on Schedule: Law, Medicine and a Hallucinogen (Scientific American Aug. 2009) [Re: Amsu Jackal]
#10813272 - 08/06/09 08:31 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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how is this "formally known as Salvia divinorum" ???
the divinorum part wasn't placed there by mistake
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learningtofly
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Re: Salvia on Schedule: Law, Medicine and a Hallucinogen (Scientific American Aug. 2009) [Re: Satival]
#10813279 - 08/06/09 08:32 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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formally meaning the formal name. what is the problem? are you thinking of FORMERLY?
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Re: Salvia on Schedule: Law, Medicine and a Hallucinogen (Scientific American Aug. 2009) [Re: learningtofly]
#10814727 - 08/07/09 12:39 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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pwned
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