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 iluvfungi
 
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 Fasting to reach spirituallity 
#10744563 - 07/26/09 05:21 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think it goes hand in hand, that many of us are trying to find inner peace and with such, that we use any means available to achieve such peace. Hence, fasting is often viewed as a spiritual tool. What is strange if you have never fasted before, is that your brain and body still function well.
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Re: Fasting to reach spirituallity [Re: iluvfungi]
#10744599 - 07/26/09 05:29 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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My opinion on this is that it is highly irresponsible to suggest that fasting might help you in spiritual pursuits, especially when it is suggested by people of authority.
This is unhealthy and dangerous! Not to mention foolish to think that to deny your body essential nourishment is to progress spiritually.
By giving your body all it needs in order to be healthy, you shall progress spiritually as well as physically. Your body is your temple, it is animate with sublime energy, all parts of your being are equally sacred: physical, mental and spiritual. To deny yourself fulfillment on any of these levels is to impair progress.
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Re: Fasting to reach spirituallity [Re: solstice]
#10744634 - 07/26/09 05:35 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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solstice said:
My opinion on this is that it is highly irresponsible to suggest that fasting might help you in spiritual pursuits, especially when it is suggested by people of authority.
This is unhealthy and dangerous! Not to mention foolish to think that to deny your body essential nourishment is to progress spiritually.
By giving your body all it needs in order to be healthy, you shall progress spiritually as well as physically. Your body is your temple, it is animate with sublime energy, all parts of your being are equally sacred: physical, mental and spiritual. To deny yourself fulfillment on any of these levels is to impair progress.
Why not research fastings benefits to health before making baseless statements.
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Re: Fasting to reach spirituallity [Re: iluvfungi]
#10744636 - 07/26/09 05:36 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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I use short-term fasting when I am preparing to shroom. I try to aim for about 30 hours with no food, only water to drink. I find that once my digestive system is clear, and my body isn't working to process food, I feel mentally and physically sharper. Like an empty backpack; lightweight, ready for input. When the mushrooms go down, my body's only focus is to digest and absorb this new food. When you are unencumbered, you are more agile.
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Re: Fasting to reach spirituallity [Re: solstice]
#10744701 - 07/26/09 05:50 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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actually it is vary healthy for you. and can be great when done responsibly. your body has a natural ability to heal illness. when you fast it detoxifies your body and activates this ability. fasting can also prolong and ensure a healthy life and life style. the kogi tribe would actually fast without eating or drinking for 9 days and 9 nights meditating in a dark room to reach the secret place in the heart. just an example. now fasting for 20 days is a bit near the dangerous side. but we have to remember fasting is a natural ability, through out history people have had to fast when there was droughts of food. people have ben know to heal cancer,disease, skin conditions and many more with 5+ day fasts. ive got a book on fasting if your interested.
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Re: Fasting to reach spirituallity [Re: dieselkush]
#10744831 - 07/26/09 06:23 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Actually fasting is good for you when done properly and on occasion. It helps your system clean itself out without being hindered by more calories being piled on top of what's already in there. Also it gives your body a break from the drug of food. Fasting (like said above) is essentially a natural way of detoxing from the crap that's been building up in your system your whole life.
 idk, personally I like fasting, i'm not some anorexic bitch but it helps my intestinal issues and makes me feel like i am at least doing something good for myself 
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Re: Fasting to reach spirituallity [Re: silosighbin]
#10744851 - 07/26/09 06:29 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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For anyone wishing for a "spiritual" fast, I would recommend an all-fruit diet. One week of fruit for me was better than 3 weeks of water. The mind becomes quite alert on this diet, but the body still calm.
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Re: Fasting to reach spirituallity [Re: silosighbin]
#10744862 - 07/26/09 06:31 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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It's also known that a breakdown of mitochondrial DNA is what leads to the production of free radicals within the cell. This ages the cell, and it's what causes aging. There is NO 'death limit' set in our genes... we would live forever if this breakdown in the mitochondria did not occur, forever and in perfect health.
Fasting occassionally is how humans evolved. And, slowing the intake of food has been proven to prolong life, scientifically. Responsible fasting seems like a good thing given all of this information.
Personally, I love eating too much, and since I'm not a fatbody, I do it all that I want 
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Re: Fasting to reach spirituallity [Re: UpSwell]
#10744879 - 07/26/09 06:34 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Personally, I love eating too much, and since I'm not a fatbody, I do it all that I want
Oh, cancer doesn't show partiality toward fat bodies.
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Re: Fasting to reach spirituallity [Re: Grapefruit]
#10744926 - 07/26/09 06:44 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Grapefruit said:
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solstice said:
My opinion on this is that it is highly irresponsible to suggest that fasting might help you in spiritual pursuits, especially when it is suggested by people of authority.
This is unhealthy and dangerous! Not to mention foolish to think that to deny your body essential nourishment is to progress spiritually.
By giving your body all it needs in order to be healthy, you shall progress spiritually as well as physically. Your body is your temple, it is animate with sublime energy, all parts of your being are equally sacred: physical, mental and spiritual. To deny yourself fulfillment on any of these levels is to impair progress.
Why not research fastings benefits to health before making baseless statements.
The title of the thread does say: fasting to reach spirituality.
So the OP is obviously not refering to short term fasts made to flush out toxins from the body, he is refering to fasts endured in order to reach " higher states of mind ", the kind of fasting that is detrimental to the human body, the kind of fasting that naive people go through because some shitty gurus told them to.
You don't need extensive research to know that depriving the body from food for too long, especially in the hope of becoming enlightened, is very very wrong.
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Re: Fasting to reach spirituallity [Re: solstice]
#10744960 - 07/26/09 06:53 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Prayer and fasting to Quote:
solstice said:
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Grapefruit said:
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solstice said:
My opinion on this is that it is highly irresponsible to suggest that fasting might help you in spiritual pursuits, especially when it is suggested by people of authority.
This is unhealthy and dangerous! Not to mention foolish to think that to deny your body essential nourishment is to progress spiritually.
By giving your body all it needs in order to be healthy, you shall progress spiritually as well as physically. Your body is your temple, it is animate with sublime energy, all parts of your being are equally sacred: physical, mental and spiritual. To deny yourself fulfillment on any of these levels is to impair progress.
Why not research fastings benefits to health before making baseless statements.
The title of the thread does say: fasting to reach spirituality.
So the OP is obviously not refering to short term fasts made to flush out toxins from the body, he is refering to fasts endured in order to reach " higher states of mind ", the kind of fasting that is detrimental to the human body, the kind of fasting that naive people go through because some shitty gurus told them to.
You don't need extensive research to know that depriving the body from food for too long, especially in the hope of becoming enlightened, is very very wrong.
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Re: Fasting to reach spirituallity [Re: mr.bixby]
#10744966 - 07/26/09 06:54 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Intention, intention, intention.
Care to expand on that?
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Re: Fasting to reach spirituallity (moved) [Re: iluvfungi]
#10744970 - 07/26/09 06:54 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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 This thread was moved from The Psychedelic Experience.
Reason:
Better suited here, I think.
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Re: Fasting to reach spirituallity (moved) [Re: LSDreamer]
#10745442 - 07/26/09 08:04 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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My only source on this is Siddartha and I have no fucking clue if thats valid or not but in the novel he fasts/meditates long enough and begins to essentially trip...however, he finds it unfulfilling, but in terms of what your looking for it would probably pretty fucking awesome---assuming that Siddartha is a reliable source and I have no idea about that so do some legitimate research
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Re: Fasting to reach spirituallity (moved) [Re: iluvfungi]
#10745579 - 07/26/09 08:23 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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I know thats what the native Americans would do. im not an expert on it, but I read somewhere that they would fast 36 hours before going on a journey. I cant remember but I believe it was traveling long distance on foot. this would cause exhaustion, and cause them to hallucinate. a spiritual vision or what ever its called. you could look into na rituals?
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Re: Fasting to reach spirituallity (moved) [Re: dieselkush]
#10746457 - 07/26/09 10:48 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Buddha, anyone?
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Re: Fasting to reach spirituallity [Re: iluvfungi]
#10747483 - 07/27/09 03:32 AM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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regulation in food, speech & sleep are good spiritual practices, but mainly good for your physical body, which then allows you to recognize the spiritual side
all spiritual practices are to eventually realize the bodyless Self
who is no the Self now?
wrong identification with the body is what needs to be corrected, not the bodys habits & tendencies, i feel lfe should be a free dance, not a strict routine
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Re: Fasting to reach spirituallity (moved) [Re: Melt the Chill]
#10747915 - 07/27/09 06:30 AM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Buddha, anyone?
Ah come on! Hardly a reference!
Myths are going to get you nowhere, facts though, will.
Of course fasting for days on end will make you hallucinate! Your body is fighting the lack of fuel! The hallucinations you might " enjoy " due to fasting are not spiritual at all, they are a sign that your body is acting out because it needs nutrients.
Oh yeah, people of old used to fast, so it should be good! 
I'm all for the appreciation of indigenous people's wisdom and talents, but at one point, it's important to draw a line between superstition and fact.
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Re: Fasting to reach spirituallity (moved) [Re: solstice]
#10748248 - 07/27/09 08:18 AM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Myths are going to get you nowhere, facts though, will.
Of course fasting for days on end will make you hallucinate! Your body is fighting the lack of fuel! The hallucinations you might " enjoy " due to fasting are not spiritual at all, they are a sign that your body is acting out because it needs nutrients.
Oh yeah, people of old used to fast, so it should be good!
I'm all for the appreciation of indigenous people's wisdom and talents, but at one point, it's important to draw a line between superstition and fact.
You fail to understand how the body and soul are connected
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Re: Fasting to reach spirituallity (moved) [Re: silosighbin]
#10748271 - 07/27/09 08:24 AM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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silosighbin said:
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solstice said:
Myths are going to get you nowhere, facts though, will.
Of course fasting for days on end will make you hallucinate! Your body is fighting the lack of fuel! The hallucinations you might " enjoy " due to fasting are not spiritual at all, they are a sign that your body is acting out because it needs nutrients.
Oh yeah, people of old used to fast, so it should be good!
I'm all for the appreciation of indigenous people's wisdom and talents, but at one point, it's important to draw a line between superstition and fact.
You fail to understand how the body and soul are connected
Please tell me then, oh enlightened one!
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