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New Economic System? A Free Social Monetary Conduit.
    #10634494 - 07/07/09 06:54 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

I would like to propose a few simple concepts that could potentially be easily applied to our current economic system to facilitate the beneficial flow of resources in our current economic system.

PLEASE FEEL FREE to offer any criticism, I understand it sounds very similar to both communism, socialism, what we have going now with credit cards handing out credit everywhere like crazy (at least when they did). I am proposing we centralize all of this, and guarnatee that this "intrest" is channeled into the promise, the guarantee that EVERBODYS "interest" is provided for. We can make  anything work, but it will take time to even the descrepancies. Ill throw my preliminary thesis out there for you guys to pick apart and tell me how you think it could flow better. A central idea is that nobody is punished and that everybody is accountable in a social network like economic system that is not based on numbers and debt, but rather, a simple need based allowance and social accountability. Ill get to it. Keep in mind, this is my VERY FIRST time putting this down in words as it came to me last night, yet has been apparent all along.

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How to fix our economy: Preliminary thesis

Reverse debt into prosperity by conducting exchanges in accordance with the principle fact that if you are willing to give something up, you will be guaranteed what you need by the system, where markets are recursively tugged by economic need. A networked monetary system based not on a system of numbers but a basic need based allowance. If it is necessary to use, credits will be rewarded for sharing of such items. For example;

Start with the idea that if someone on the street seeks to inquire to purchase a drink of water, walks into a seven eleven and does not have the dollar ninty five for the drink he needs for the drink under the old system, the store would keep the bottle, the guy would leave hungry, profit is lost, and health is lost. the old system is a lose lose situation in this particular case study. Under the new system, profit for the corporate entity and needs of the human entity are both guaranteeed. For example, under the new system if a thirsty patron walks into a service dispensary location, the corporate entity may dispense needed water in exchange for a monetary allowance "credit" if you will, that will guarantee the corporate entity enough allowance to serve to restock the originally despensed water bottle, with the guaranteed Equal support guaranteed to every individual entitty in the system, regardless of size or need. In this sense, both the corporate entitty itself, and the thirsty patron walking down the street both have needs. so long as all reasonable needs are guaranteed, EVERY ENTITTY is FREE to do as they will with using and redistributing resources.

Under the new system, Every exchange would be benefitted, and thus would encourage participents in the new system to record their exchanges, for everything you give you get allowance for. A central point for this to work though is the principle that: NOBODY IS TO BE PUNISHED FOR TAKING. Nothing is to be done, using resources is not to be rewarded, or disciplined in any fasion, the single, central regulator of the new system should be simply reward for providing. Credit for providing. Therefore, if you have people in need, you get rich, and people get fed, and have a reasonable substrate to live comfortably and find new innovative personal ways to record their own given value. Eventually such a system should evolve to become a global social network much like facebook or twitter, where you take what you need and every step of the way that you contribute to the overall exchange of the social network, you are simply rewarded.

In such a system, some trends overall will tend to take over, much like the passage of popularity from one system to another, but the basis of the system is that of giving, free will, and the guarantee of a livable substrate to thrive in for all forms of existence... be it 7-11, a personal enterprise, a global corporation, a nanosymbiotic holographic information hub or social pattern of evolution, so long as we talk about it, are free to exchange, and are rewarded for what we have to give and otherwise are not left with unneccessary punishments resulting in lose lose situations. The goal is to phase out lose lose and return to a neutral positive encouragement in a non numbers, needs based attractor.

Brainstorm: a change for our current system may be to reorient the use of "interest" that is paid out on current money supplies and funnel the economies intrest flow into a flexible substrate of availability that every entity in the system will draw off of as the central basis for "Corporate exchange"** principle being "Provide and you will be guaranteed provisions"

** So long as the distribution cooperatives provide, they will be reasonably provided for so long as, All idividuals, entities, and humans are free to use resources provided by the coopoerative distrobution and resource distrobution centers.".

A central balance of this new system will be an integrated, social network of accountability where everyone, ranging all the way from the consumer to the distributor, to the central corporate entities, will all be accountable for the exchanges that thake place, as all interactions / exchanges made in the social-monetary allownace network are made transparant for anyone and everyone, like on a facebook feed, transparent for everyone. Where what you use, what you take from a store will be provided to you, guaranteed, provided that you are held accountable to your friends, neighbors and local social interaction network... where your social network itself becomes the central economic regulator.

And this same concept is scaled, as above, so below, from the individual consumer all the way up through to the international global corporations and, soon enough beyond.







I'd love help getting it skinned down to the bare bones, to a simple, revolutionary concept that we can apply to the essential exchanges that need to take place in order to provide a suitable, liveable, breathable, expandable innovative societal substrate for people to thrive in the new world.


Edited by JohnP (07/07/09 07:06 AM)


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Re: New Economic System? A Free Social Monetary Conduit. [Re: JohnP]
    #10635158 - 07/07/09 09:57 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

So in your system everything is "free".

Why am I working again, and what incentive do I have to keep doing so?


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Re: New Economic System? A Free Social Monetary Conduit. [Re: badchad]
    #10636138 - 07/07/09 01:13 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Not sure, do you have any ideas for incentives? Hopefully people find something they enjoy. Anyways, I was thinking alot like a social credit system for the necessities for individuals, and a complete support system that doesn't inhibit at all the flow of resources. So the system, based on providing necessary service for free, you in turn will be provided the neccesities. Ontop of that, you may have an incentive to work to balance into your credit. But then that defeats the purpose. Oh well, it was just an idea that is no longer as clear to me as it was when It first came to me. If anyone has any way they can suggest to improve on this... Somehownthough we need to reverse what the dollar does for us from tiring us down to providing us with freedom... Maybe it wouldn't have to be monetary at all... I'm sure we will try some things in the future and hopefully come out in the long run with a better perspective and some good lessons learned!


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Re: New Economic System? A Free Social Monetary Conduit. [Re: JohnP]
    #10694684 - 07/17/09 01:48 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

I like the feeling of accomplishment when I get something done right. 

I feel that people should enjoy the fruit of their labor and that is why I would love to see free market anarcho capitalism.

I think that people are certainly entitled to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

However; people being entitled to jobs, housing, medical insurance, goods and services et cetera does not make sense to me because such entitlements are coercive in nature.

In the world today there is economic scarcity.  There's no such thing as a free lunch.

Remember that whenever government "gives" something to people there are always strings attached to those "gifts".

It is wrong to be a mooch.  People certainly have a higher destiny than that of a parasite.

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If money did not become worth less over time (because of fractional reserve banking and various forms of government shenanigans) then capitalism would work wonderfully in this situation of economic scarcity.


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Re: New Economic System? A Free Social Monetary Conduit. [Re: Mr.Al]
    #10695749 - 07/17/09 04:52 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Sounds like warmed over communism. From each according to their ability and to each according to their needs. Who is providing all those credits, santa?

Oh i know, we'll just pass a law that the big evil rich corporations have to give their stuff away for free if people are in need. They can afford it, right? They won't just close up shop rather than go broke will they? We could pass a law against that too. And another law stopping them from fleeing the country before they are broke. And another law.....


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Re: New Economic System? A Free Social Monetary Conduit. [Re: Stonehenge]
    #10697807 - 07/18/09 12:40 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

And surely the people who administer the laws and the controls, and the goods, and the power won't be at all afflicted by the same human failings cited as attributable to buisness owners, will they?  Surely when there is no competition, their will be less concentrations of power, right?

The government will be benevolent.  Despite being unchallengable, as the system would have to be protected by barring private trade in some manner, they will surely be far more benevolant then the capitalists who owe their livelihood to people freely choosing them to provide goods or services, no?


Overall, taking power from a diverse array of people, all competing freely and acting in their own interest to affect success, and placing it in a monolithic group which has the power of the military and the courts to protect it and who must act contrary to their self interest for the people to benefit, will surely result in greater freedom, more diverse choice, and a far better standard of living, right?


Or maybe, just maybe, and system which requires people to act against their own self interest to succeed will fail.  Maybe, it is wrong to take freedom from people.


Maybe, its none of your damn buisness if I want to sell a gadget I made to my neighbor.


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