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If governments legalize marijuana, how much revenue can they raise from it?
#10485498 - 06/10/09 09:36 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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A Toke and a Tax
June 10, 2009 - Slate
If governments legalize marijuana, how
much revenue can they raise from it?
The worse the economy gets, the better marijuana
looks—not necessarily
for its psychedelic properties, but for its revenue potential. As more
cities and states face budget deficits, the idea that legal, regulated
marijuana could reel in a bounty of taxes is gaining traction. This
development has confounded legalization advocates, rendering their
FAQs nearly irrelevant and plunging them into an unfamiliar debate:
OK, say we legalize pot. How should we tax it?
The question is, not surprisingly, popular in California, which has
a $24 billion deficit. In February, one lawmaker introduced a bill to
tax and regulate cannabis sales to any adult over 21 at any licensed
establishment—and in April, a poll found that 56 percent of Californians supported the idea. In
May, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger said it was "time for debate" about legalizing and taxing
marijuana. Other states facing similar fiscal woes, such as Illinois, are considering proposals that would legalize and tax
either medical or all marijuana. Sensing opportunity, marijuana-reform
lobbyists have enticed legislators with promises of fat tax revenues,
as high as $1 billion annually in California.
Reform advocates
are nearly unanimous in support of a marijuana tax similar in structure
to taxes on tobacco and alcohol if it coincides with the drug's
legalization. "This is the only constituency out there that's going to
say, 'Bring it on; tax us,' " says Aaron Houston, director of
government relations for the Marijuana Policy Project. But that's about where
the agreement ends. The debate has been vicious at board meetings of
the National Organization
for the Reform of Marijuana Laws.
"There's a lot of blood all over the table," says Allen St. Pierre,
NORML's executive director. "It's probably one of the most contentious
issues that the board takes up."
Tax debates often get heated, but a marijuana tax is particularly
divisive because it's so speculative. (After 70-plus years of
illegality, little is known about the economics of the drug.) A
cannabis tax could be like an excise tax (a point-of-sales tax added to
any sales tax, as exists in many places for gasoline, alcohol,
cigarettes, and, potentially, soda),
or it could be a pricey license to sell the product. Either method
would increase the cost to consumers, who would in turn buy less of the
product—a public health benefit in either instance. And
unless people buy drastically less soda or pot, the government will
pocket some extra cash. So far, it seems like a
win-win situation.
But there are complications. One is the thriving black market for
marijuana, with sales valued, albeit shakily,
as high as $100 billion a year. A high tax could keep the market
underground, robbing the government of tax revenue. The theory is that
John Q. Pothead would be willing to pay a premium so he can "go to a
regulated establishment that can assure some level of safety and
labeling," says Houston of the Marijuana Policy Project. But make the
premium too high, he says, and users will just go to "that shady guy"
on the corner. The problem is that nobody really knows what the optimum
premium is.
Speculation
aside, there is one place where a marijuana tax is a reality: Oakland,
Calif., which taxes sales of medical marijuana at 9.5 percent, the same
rate as other goods in Alameda County. (Technically, 20 states require
a tax stamp for marijuana sales, but the purpose of that policy is
merely to add tax evasion to the list of penalties for drug dealing.)
Additionally, the dispensaries pay a 1.8 percent business-receipts tax,
as well as payroll taxes, to the city. Richard Lee, president of a
"marijuana business school" called Oaksterdam
University, says dispensary owners gain legitimacy by paying taxes.
"The more we pay, the more the city needs us and wants us," he says.
Still,
even a pro-tax professor at a marijuana business school has his limits.
When Oakland proposed an even higher business-receipts tax, Lee and
other dispensary owners balked.
Jeffrey Miron, a Harvard
economist and proponent of broad drug decriminalization, suggests that
we look to alcohol and cigarette taxes as a model for a potential
cannabis tax. Even with so-called "sin taxes" of up to 90 percent of
the total price, illegal markets, once widespread, account for a tiny
fraction of total sales. Miron warns that initial marijuana taxes at
such a level "would just be a total mess" due to the expansiveness of
the black market and ease of growing marijuana at home. Instead he
recommends starting with a low tax—perhaps at 25 percent of the total
price—and then gradually increasing it.
Of course, these
relative numbers beg the question: What will the initial, untaxed price
be? According to Lee, marijuana averages about $300 per ounce in the
Bay Area (and the bill currently under consideration in the slate
Legislature would tax pot at $50 per ounce—far higher than Oakland's
dispensaries are paying now). A few reform advocates have tried to
crunch the numbers. Dale Gieringer, who coordinates NORML's California
branch, estimated in 1994 that free-market, untaxed pot would cost just
5 cents to 10 cents per joint,
a potency-constant measure. Even adjusted for inflation, that's still
at least 100 times cheaper than today's marijuana prices, according to
Gieringer.
But if history and the proposed soda tax are any
guide, marijuana may end up among the most expensive intoxicants.
Federal and state health departments have been "nudging" the
public for decades to reduce the demand for tobacco, which has
decreased roughly 4 percent for every 10 percent increase in price.
Politicians and economists defend these Pigovian
taxes
as balancing the public health costs of cigarettes, as they would for
marijuana. (Much of this argument would depend on whether legalizing
marijuana causes a rise or a decline in alcohol consumption.)
A
steep excise tax would particularly infuriate libertarians, a critical
constituency of the reform movement. The general tenet that "the
government shouldn't be meddling with our minds, shouldn't be trying to
nurture our behavior" extends to marijuana, says David Boaz, executive
vice president of the Cato Institute and a former NORML board member.
Whatever
they do, governments that tax marijuana will have to balance a trio of
related goals—reducing budget deficits, eradicating the black market,
and improving public health. Inevitably, one goal will get the short
end of the spliff. Harvard's Miron predicts that governments will give
priority to reducing deficits in the current round of pot-reform
debates. It's not the best argument for legalization, says Miron, who
has estimated that U.S. governments could save almost $13 billion annually
if they no longer arrested, prosecuted, or imprisoned marijuana buyers
or sellers. But in an era of falling tax revenue, it may be the most
effective one.
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Re: If governments legalize marijuana, how much revenue can they raise from it? [Re: veggie]
#10485894 - 06/10/09 11:10 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: If governments legalize marijuana, how much revenue can they raise from it? [Re: diminutiveshroom]
#10486039 - 06/10/09 11:55 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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a fine article, sir.
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Re: If governments legalize marijuana, how much revenue can they raise from it? [Re: Spode]
#10486787 - 06/11/09 05:58 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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that is some good news.
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Re: If governments legalize marijuana, how much revenue can they raise from it? [Re: veggie]
#10486838 - 06/11/09 06:17 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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It's a step in the right direction when this sort of thing is being openly discussed.
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Re: If governments legalize marijuana, how much revenue can they raise from it? [Re: ToiletDuk]
#10486944 - 06/11/09 07:07 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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If it becomes legal, they shouldn't tax it at all, they should leave it alone. We already have enough taxes, seriously. The business it would create alone would generate enough for the country.
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Re: If governments legalize marijuana, how much revenue can they raise from it? [Re: newsero]
#10487140 - 06/11/09 08:12 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Excellent article. In some states in honestly seems like they generate more income by keeping it illegal then they would on the taxes. Some of these states it seems most cops have NOTHING to do except go after victimless drug crimes. Look at community service labor, probation costs, court costs, 'rehab' costs... I notice Florida for one is building two things during these difficult economic times... Courthouses and jails. The criminalization of marijuana is a crime against humanity. Its just like ethnic cleansing.
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Re: If governments legalize marijuana, how much revenue can they raise from it? [Re: newsero]
#10487169 - 06/11/09 08:21 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
newsero said: If it becomes legal, they shouldn't tax it at all, they should leave it alone. We already have enough taxes, seriously. The business it would create alone would generate enough for the country.
Yes, but a tax is absolutely necessary to help deal with the negative force of big alcohol, you can't have something undersell them without them bringing the hammer down in anyway they can. You got to pick your battles, one set at a time.
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Re: If governments legalize marijuana, how much revenue can they raise from it? [Re: Lennyk]
#10487608 - 06/11/09 10:29 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Even after they tax it, it will still be much cheaper than regular weed
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Re: If governments legalize marijuana, how much revenue can they raise from it? [Re: neopet nub]
#10487648 - 06/11/09 10:36 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
neopet nub said: Even after they tax it, it will still be much cheaper than regular weed
Word. No more 60 an eighth shit.
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Re: If governments legalize marijuana, how much revenue can they raise from it? [Re: LSDaytripper]
#10487740 - 06/11/09 10:55 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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they just said $50 tax on every ounce that is like $50/8th shit
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Re: If governments legalize marijuana, how much revenue can they raise from it? [Re: newsero]
#10487997 - 06/11/09 11:43 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
newsero said: If it becomes legal, they shouldn't tax it at all, they should leave it alone. We already have enough taxes, seriously. The business it would create alone would generate enough for the country.
Yes because it'd be impossible to grow your own :P
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