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 Could legal Psychedelics help create a more peaceful/less violence society? 
#10430527 - 05/31/09 05:50 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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This is something that I think about sometimes................
Imagine a time when psychedelics are excepted as a normal ritual and a good percentage of the population start using them- I wonder if this could create a more peaceful society.
I believe that it could do that..... obviously certain people will always stay away from psychedelics , but I think they may really able to change the world we live in, or at least many people that exist here.
 What do you think?
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 Re: Could legal Psychedelics help create a more peaceful/less violence society? [Re: skatealex2]
#10430545 - 05/31/09 05:52 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Could legal Psychedelics help create a more peaceful/less violence society? [Re: cpw1971]
#10430638 - 05/31/09 06:07 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Could legal Psychedelics help create a more peaceful/less violence society? [Re: cpw1971]
#10430706 - 05/31/09 06:18 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think that the society which you are describing-in which psychedelic use is an important part of ritual life, widely used...that world would already be so different from anything we can imagine now...
It's a confusing clusterfuck-do psychedelics make those of us who use them different? Or is it just that people like us, who are already different, are attracted to them?
Could psychedelics change minds, thus changing society? Or would only those who already want the change partake in them?
EDIT:hey, 100 posts!
Edited by Melusina (05/31/09 06:19 PM)
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Re: Could legal Psychedelics help create a more peaceful/less violence society? [Re: skatealex2]
#10430783 - 05/31/09 06:32 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Usually when thinking about this, the next thing that comes to my mind is that psychedelics arent for everyone...
First, look around this board, and you should see what i mean... a lot of people in this community are focused on using psychedelics as "drugs" as a means to get messed up, whereas a lot of us look at them as entheogens as a means to achieve... anything spiritual (peace, in this example)...
Second, (like you were saying) people have to WANT to take psychedelics... they don't appeal to a lot of people. For example, after my first trip (which i can confidently say was the most profound day of my life) i tried to "talk my friends into" eating shrooms, and they both just looked at me like i had gone insane (i havent), and they are really pretty open minded individuals... (by no means conservative)... they said that they didn't feel the need to be "spiritual" because they were living a human life, and they had eternity to be spiritual and they wanted to wait until they were way older. Idk, makes a little sense i guess... anyone have ideas of things i can say to them? obviously i dont want to force them to do something they dont want, I just want them to WANT to do this...
Short answer, yes, i think the world would be more peaceful with widely accepted psychedelic use. I can only hope more "scientific experiments" will lead to some sort of decriminalization, and that D.A.R.E. will stop spreading propaganda (because of DARE I thought that if i smoked weed i had a 1/3 chance of DYING! and that psychedelics would make me think my arm was a banana, and i would peel the skin off it and eat it, and then jump off the nearest tall building.... thats an actual story my DARE instructor told me). Hopefully people will see that not all "drugs" are "bad" and can actually be more helpful then anything... Oh well, Im too apathetic to do anything about it...
At least the Shoomery is enlighted though, right?
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Re: Could legal Psychedelics help create a more peaceful/less violence society? [Re: ovechkin57]
#10430810 - 05/31/09 06:37 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Melusina, Congrats on 100 posts... (perpetual student is a nice phrase as well... arent we all...[in school and life for some of us])
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as far as the clusterfuck goes, thats quite a clusterfuck.
For me, I have always been attracted to psychedelics more then anything, really (except maybe hockey, and fighting, i fucking love hockey and fighting). So i guess this means that I was already different, and attracted to them because i was different. But then, i am even more different having tripped (in the best possible way). So idk...
So much thinking... Im learning to love this forum.
EDIT: I just realized how funny it is that i made sure to remark about how i like fighting... i swear that wasnt intentional.... maybe people who like violence are more attracted to psychedelics... haha, weird...
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Re: Could legal Psychedelics help create a more peaceful/less violence society? [Re: skatealex2]
#10430858 - 05/31/09 06:45 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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The guy talking in the beginning..Richard Blum was it?
In the talk he seems opposed to acid and almost an ideal representation of "the man"...
however, when I searched him in google he comes up as an LSD researcher?
did i misinterpret his speech or misspell his name...whats up with this
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Re: Could legal Psychedelics help create a more peaceful/less violence society? [Re: skatealex2]
#10430880 - 05/31/09 06:49 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
skatealex2 said:
This is something that I think about sometimes................
Imagine a time when psychedelics are excepted as a normal ritual and a good percentage of the population start using them- I wonder if this could create a more peaceful society.
I believe that it could do that..... obviously certain people will always stay away from psychedelics , but I think they may really able to change the world we live in, or at least many people that exist here.
What do you think?
No. People only change if they want to change; psychedelics can show them the possibilities but it's still ultimately up to them.
You can see this demonstrated by the fact that the counterculture revolution of the sixties failed abysmally.
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Re: Could legal Psychedelics help create a more peaceful/less violence society? [Re: deCypher]
#10431008 - 05/31/09 07:12 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yes.
But it is not a question of just legalizing psychedelics. When you speak of legalization its simply a process of a bill that needs to go through the gvnmt and get passed by old suits. Whether the outcome is accessibility to the legalized substance, or it could only be something like a decriminalization bill. It doesn't change much.
What people need is education. A broader understanding of how the brain works, and how society works. There are too many closed minded people today. Psychedelics open the mind. They have the ability to break you. They give you the ability to see things that are repressed by your ego.
They show you what is real.
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Re: Could legal Psychedelics help create a more peaceful/less violence society? [Re: Primefied]
#10431417 - 05/31/09 08:31 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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They have the potential to, but not them only. let me put it this way, Psychedelics will bring out and catalyze things that you already think about. If you go into the experience wanting to deconstruct your ego then your trip is going to take on charecteristics within that frame of mind.
when the CIA was doing experiments to use LSD as a weapon, operative would dose each other, and they would have james bond esque espianage trips, and would get stuck thinking about better ways to use weapons or different tactics.
had LSD been availible to hitler hed of tripped out on a better method to kill the jews.
Manson DID use it for mind control
i guess the point is, society itself would have to be in a state of mind that would be receptive to bringing out the more desirable things people learn on psychedelics, otherwise things will get strange.
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Re: Could legal Psychedelics help create a more peaceful/less violence society? [Re: sui]
#10431455 - 05/31/09 08:38 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I believe that helping people learn about the positive aspects of psychedelics could one day help create a more peaceful world. Theres really no way for us to know for sure though.
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Re: Could legal Psychedelics help create a more peaceful/less violence society? [Re: sui]
#10431466 - 05/31/09 08:39 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Mushi's and mescal(cacti un-synthed), completely natural. Ayahuasca(DMT tea) is all natural as well. LSD not so much really...[In it's "natural" found form it's lethally poisonous i believe(im no scientist)]
All natural is the way to roll.
When an atom is split and an enormous amount of Energy is released, what does it form as it settles?
A Mushroom cloud of course...
So in my mind when Mother Nature/Earth releases her energy i believe it would form the same shape.
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Re: Could legal Psychedelics help create a more peaceful/less violence society? [Re: HelloSinEight]
#10431608 - 05/31/09 09:11 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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there is no natural LSD. Ergot is poisonous, but thats not a natral LSD.
LSD is a very safe psychedelic, and the one we know the most about. The whole natural verse synthetic argument is pretty weak, there are very safe natural chems and there are very dangerous natural chems, just like there are very safe synthetic chems just as there are dangerous ones.
A chemical is a chemical regardless of how its made.
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Re: Could legal Psychedelics help create a more peaceful/less violence society? [Re: sui]
#10431615 - 05/31/09 09:13 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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mescal(cacti un-synthed), completely natural
like this for example. Synthesized mescaline is the SAME thing as natural mescaline. There is really no difference.
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Re: Could legal Psychedelics help create a more peaceful/less violence society? [Re: sui]
#10431849 - 05/31/09 10:01 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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No.
People would use it as an excuse to do stupid shit; even if they're not on it.
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Re: Could legal Psychedelics help create a more peaceful/less violence society? [Re: skatealex2]
#10432065 - 05/31/09 10:41 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think that'd be a step in the right direction. One of the most important lessons I learned from tripping is that old cliche, we're all connected... aka every soul around you is just as important, sacred, and eternal as yourself. You can't be malicious under that state of mind.
The limiting factor is that we come down from the drug, and go right back into our old habits. In order for psychedelics to be effective in reducing violence in society, you'd need a two pronged approach--psychedelics as sacrament, and a daily spiritual / psychological / emotional program to maintain the consciousness and open-heartedness in daily life.
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Re: Could legal Psychedelics help create a more peaceful/less violence society? [Re: Noviseer]
#10432195 - 05/31/09 11:02 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think that psychedelics have the potential to positively influence society much more than they currently do if there were options to use them in a community-based, ritualized context with some type of spiritual guidance or structure. In my dream society, there would be specialized psychedelic centers using a mix of ancient techniques and new technology, staffed with trained spiritual leaders available for support at all times, and special rooms and groups with different intents, and all kinds of therapy sessions available, and float tanks, and live music... This is just one of my elaborate stoner fantasies though! 
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Re: Could legal Psychedelics help create a more peaceful/less violence society? [Re: envisionary333]
#10432451 - 05/31/09 11:46 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yes! The more psychedelics the better! Most problems stem from unconsciousness (i.e. drama) and psychedelics can wake people up from that. There are always those that probably won't do well on psychedelics. It's probably a relatively small percentage though. It's amazing how skeptical people are of even meditation until they really spend some time with it. In the same way, most people probably don't even know that psychedelics are exactly right for them.
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Re: Could legal Psychedelics help create a more peaceful/less violence society? [Re: bradley]
#10432577 - 06/01/09 12:07 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I believe that if psychedelics were integrated into society properly, it could be majorly beneficial. If people were properly educated about these substances and how to go about them, I feel the general air would be come more relaxed, more open. People would start to love one another, instead of become suspicious and fearful of one another. Peoples values would shift, from the current materialist to values that rely less on image and falseness.
Why are we not allowed to use the chemicals safely? If the governments approach to these substances was to understand them instead of demonize them, I feel things would have turned out a lot more positive in the world. However, the government was no doubtedly scared of LSD, as the whole hippie movement and counter culture movement in general went against everything the government was pushing for. People became less inclined to participate in the day to day bullshit and this threatened the very foundations of what this country and economy stands upon. It would cause a massive shift in society, and the people in power did not want this.
In the sixties, the movement ultimately ended up failing. However, the first time you ride a bicycle, you fall down. The first draft of your essay is never your best draft. I believe that now that we have more information on these substances, more experience with them as a collective whole, we have more of an idea of what we are doing. I feel if we had a psychedelic society, things would be massively different and much more positive and open. Hopefully someday we will know
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Re: Could legal Psychedelics help create a more peaceful/less violence society? [Re: GigaHurtz1]
#10433402 - 06/01/09 02:51 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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A lot has already been said..
GigaHurtz was a great post 
Primefied, your signature is perfect, quote is spot on.
Without psychedelics we are trapped inside our ego, and it takes a great deal of courage, strength, and wisdom to get out of it... basically CHANGE. The egos who have all of the above don't really need psychedelics... but they sure can expand their mind!
Psychedelics are change, they allow it, they make it possible.
How can change be possible, without change?!
Willing yourself to change is just not enough, it never has been and that fact isn't going to change, heh, just like that. 
To get outside of their mind, to be able to SEE what has been hidden by their egos... yes, this is what society needs. yes, would definitely create a more peaceful society. I think it would be impossible for people to become regular users of psychedelics and NOT smarten up/become more aware.
nice video btw.
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