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 Mr.Al
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 World War III on the horizen?? 
#10365861 - 05/19/09 08:50 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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First off I have to say that I am connecting a lot of dots, but many times dot connecting comes to valid conclusions so I will fire off.
1) This administration is continuing the Bush policy of antagonizing Russia, via the use of NATO.
I am sure that most of you elucidate yourselves on current issues, especially in concerns to Geopolitics.
So you probably know that their is still a Conflict between Russia and Georgia.
Their are forces attempting to this day to get Georgia admitted into NATO, this by the very rules that govern NATO would immediately put us at war with Russia. (an attack against one is an attack against all)
2) We owe the Chinese more than a trillion Federal Reserve notes, China is attempting to get away from the USD as a reserve currency.
This likely means that very soon after they accomplish this they will call in US debt as it will cease being to their benefit. This will not only decimate our own economy, but many economies throughout the world that still use our Dollar as a Reserve Currency.
(It should be noted that Russia is attempting to get of the USD as reserve also)
3)The Obama administration is expanding the war in the Middle East into Pakistan, and according to some the borders of Iran.
This is of key importance. The geography of the region would allow whoever controls it to control a vast majority of the worlds resources. Of even greater importance is that this region would be necessary to control in a War Against China and Russia.
4)When Obama was running for president he said this
"We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."
I will now post links to all the points made, I would GREATLY appreciate it if anyone had more information concerning this.
Russia : Russia: NATO drills in Georgia up tensions
a video thanks Yrat
China : China calls for new reserve currency China's yuan 'set to usurp US dollar' as world's reserve currency
Middle East : U.S. Plans New Drone Attacks in Pakistan 13 killed in Pakistan drone attack
Not to mention the destabilization created by US interventionism is creating a major recruiting tool for terrorists, the potential blowback is terrifying.
Pakistan's displacement camps: A study in contrasts
PHOTOS: Scenes from Pakistan's displacement camps
While the majority of these people were not displaced by direct US intervention, they all know its because Pakistan works for us now
Any how what do you all think???
This seems like WW III is a distinct possibility. As to whether it is another Cold War between blocs of nations, straight up military conflict, or some form of economic isolationism/imperialism it is hard to say.
Again, I must stress that economic destabilization is what causes tensions to develop with international relations.
It is foolish for any nation to develop foreign policy without looking at UNINTENDED FUTURE CONSEQUENCES OF YOUR ACTIONS.
That is called blowback, to use a term from the intelligence community.
Certainly, there are a few individuals even within United States agencies that understand nationalistic jingoism is to be avoided in potentially explosive situations.
This needs to be defused. Nations need to stop interfering with other sovereign countries. Individual economies need to be stabilized, not with central planning shenanigans, but with allowing markets to adjust.
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 Re: World War III on the horizen?? [Re: Mr.Al]
#10365930 - 05/19/09 09:04 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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To help defuse some conflicts. People need to stop listening and blindly defending these coward instigators. But, then you're called unpatriotic. People never research enough to study the core of the problems. It's easier to blame an entire nation. But yes, Russia is a key target for the Globalists. So, we'll see.
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Re: World War III on the horizen?? [Re: Mr.Al]
#10365957 - 05/19/09 09:09 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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You are paranoid as fuck.
That is not connecting dots.
That is building big long-ass fucking bridges between things that aren't even remotely connected.
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Mr.Al
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What information do you propose as a counter-perspective to what I have seen?
What do you think are the primary causes of geopolitical destabilization?
Can you give a cogent explanation for the imperialistic foreign policy the United States has followed and the failure of the intelligence community to understand that blowback exists? Ironically, I think the C.I.A. was responsible for coming up with the term "blowback". You would think they would be more cognizant of unintended consequences????
Perhaps you simply have not looked into it enough to be disturbed by the implications of foreign policy that lacks discretion and self-restraint.
I surmise that you may sleep better at night.
Psychologically speaking, denying that things aren't supremely fucked is a valid means of protecting a rosier view of reality, albeit at the expense of rational thought.
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Re: World War III on the horizen?? [Re: Mr.Al]
#10366149 - 05/19/09 09:48 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
Mr.Al said:
First off I have to say that I am connecting a lot of dots,
you've shown time and again that connecting the dots means jumping
from 1 to 7 to 28 to 5, you've yet to show anything valid, what
you have shown is a bunch of rambling and nonsensical crap, the
only thread you've made regarding this sort of thng that was close
to sensible was the FDA cheerios thread
all you're doing is repeating the works of shills like Alex Jones
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for education to keep making students stupid
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Quote:
Madtowntripper said:
You are paranoid as fuck.
That is not connecting dots.
That is building big long-ass fucking bridges between things that aren't even remotely connected.
he connected dots that say prescott bush removed the US from the
gold standard, who cares that it was nixon and prescot had been
dead for nearly a decade
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there are 923 words in the english language that do not follow the "I before E"
rule, there are 44 words in the english language that follow the rule. this is
the shit our education funding is paying for and these liberals want more money
for education to keep making students stupid
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Re: World War III on the horizen?? [Re: Mr.Al]
#10366224 - 05/19/09 09:56 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
Mr.Al said:
First off I have to say that I am connecting a lot of dots, but many times dot connecting comes to valid conclusions so I will fire off.
1) This administration is continuing the Bush policy of antagonizing Russia, via the use of NATO.
I am sure that most of you elucidate yourselves on current issues, especially in concerns to Geopolitics.
So you probably know that their is still a Conflict between Russia and Georgia.
Their are forces attempting to this day to get Georgia admitted into NATO, this by the very rules that govern NATO would immediately put us at war with Russia. (an attack against one is an attack against all)
2) We owe the Chinese more than a trillion Federal Reserve notes, China is attempting to get away from the USD as a reserve currency.
This likely means that very soon after they accomplish this they will call in US debt as it will cease being to their benefit. This will not only decimate our own economy, but many economies throughout the world that still use our Dollar as a Reserve Currency.
(It should be noted that Russia is attempting to get of the USD as reserve also)
3)The Obama administration is expanding the war in the Middle East into Pakistan, and according to some the borders of Iran.
This is of key importance. The geography of the region would allow whoever controls it to control a vast majority of the worlds resources. Of even greater importance is that this region would be necessary to control in a War Against China and Russia.
4)When Obama was running for president he said this
"We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."
I will now post links to all the points made, I would GREATLY appreciate it if anyone had more information concerning this.
Russia : Russia: NATO drills in Georgia up tensions
a video thanks Yrat
China : China calls for new reserve currency China's yuan 'set to usurp US dollar' as world's reserve currency
Middle East : U.S. Plans New Drone Attacks in Pakistan 13 killed in Pakistan drone attack
Not to mention the destabilization created by US interventionism is creating a major recruiting tool for terrorists, the potential blowback is terrifying.
Pakistan's displacement camps: A study in contrasts
PHOTOS: Scenes from Pakistan's displacement camps
While the majority of these people were not displaced by direct US intervention, they all know its because Pakistan works for us now
Any how what do you all think???
This seems like WW III is a distinct possibility. As to whether it is another Cold War between blocs of nations, straight up military conflict, or some form of economic isolationism/imperialism it is hard to say.
Again, I must stress that economic destabilization is what causes tensions to develop with international relations.
It is foolish for any nation to develop foreign policy without looking at UNINTENDED FUTURE CONSEQUENCES OF YOUR ACTIONS.
That is called blowback, to use a term from the intelligence community.
Certainly, there are a few individuals even within United States agencies that understand nationalistic jingoism is to be avoided in potentially explosive situations.
This needs to be defused. Nations need to stop interfering with other sovereign countries. Individual economies need to be stabilized, not with central planning shenanigans, but with allowing markets to adjust.
These are all great little factoids but where is the substance?
It's like an icing with no cake.
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Re: World War III on the horizen?? [Re: Mr.Al]
#10366264 - 05/19/09 10:04 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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The cake is being hid by the media and issues are being twisted to seem a certain way.
Something is going to happen,if not that scenario a uprising at home,because ammo is being bought at a all time record rate,so much ammo is being bought that there is a major shortage and stores have set limits on purchases.
Think about how the stores are hurting for sales right now and they limit the amount of product that can bought.
States are declaring sovernty from the feds and many states ,just recently Montana decided to have a vote and stop following federal gun laws.
There is some serious malcontents all over the world right now and for good reason,the gov is talking about opening the borders so these extra houses can be bought up and another plan calls for the gov to buy up houses.
Car companies are being forced into ripping off the share holders on stock and now they are going to be forced to make cars and trucks get 30 percent better emissions and gas mileage,which means over 1400 dollars more for a new car in a time where they cant sell them a the current prices.
People are being denied cashing in thier 401k plans and credit card companies are going to make thier good customers pay for the neglect of bad customers in the form of instant interest on credit card purchases,no more grace periods without interest on purchases,meaning you will instantly incure the 20 percent interest.
Thier sniffing the assholes of our cars ,there checking our piss for jobs,they are raising taxes on almost everything and sending millions to pakistan to help the displaced,when we have lots of displaced families at home,jobless claims and unemployement are skyrocketing ,businesses are being shut down left and right and our individual rights are being abused and stripped away.
Soldiers are being sent off to duty on heavy meds to cope with the tragic events that are happening over there,war is exspanding to new countries,the dollar and America is set to become a second rate country with tons of unemployed/homeless ,houses are being sold in towns for 800 dollars because everyone has moved to find jobs,tent cities are popping up all over the nation,our kids are on more drugs for behavioral issues and because they cant concentrate,big pharm is pushing drugs down everyones throat including the soldiers.
25 millions illegals are walking the streets with very little being done to stop them from taking jobs that currently are high demand,unskilled labor all the other countries want to get away from the dollar and we are trying to pass laws to make the people who are controll of our money quit hidding thier shady practices.
More and more countries are testing missles and nuclear processing plants are in high gear in other countries.
I say it`s all going to shit fast and on a world wide scale.You can believe what the media tells you are the reasons or see it for whats really happening,so you can prepare to weather the storm out.
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Re: World War III on the horizen?? [Re: meatcakeman]
#10366267 - 05/19/09 10:04 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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World War III would be a disaster,
there's no such thing as a "Classical" war anymore, like World War II or the Civil War, it's either guerilla warfare or nuclear warfare, neither of which would yield anything positive 
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Re: World War III on the horizen?? [Re: Mr.Al]
#10366318 - 05/19/09 10:10 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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1. Russia isn't a major issue. They have their own internal problems.
2. China can't/won't recall their investments, there is no safer place to put the money. Its really all arbitrary at this point anyways.
3. These issues existed before Obama and will continue after him.
Next!
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Madtowntripper
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Exactly.
Russia is internally fucked up and broke with the recent collapse in the energy markets that followed the economic troubles.
Al seems to have no concept of the fact that China's best investment is the US economy. It does them no good for the main market for their goods to disappear.
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Re: World War III on the horizen?? [Re: unretarded]
#10366373 - 05/19/09 10:17 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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ive been looking into this sheit recently and i truly believe it will happen. i mean look at world war II. No one believed America was gonna get involved even though it was obvious we were after we started putting blockade's around japan. it wasnt until pearl harbor got attacked that we had an excuse to convince the people for full out war.
"civilian national security force" i was reading somewhere that this meant the draft might be reinstated. i dunno i know it might not all connect together now but in MY OPINION i think something big is goin to happen within the next 10 years or so. 
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Yeah it takes millions of people and trillions of dollars to push a button on missles that are loaded into a silo ready to fire this very second.
A country can recall it`s debt at anytime it wishes and the change to new currency is as easy as not using the dollar anymore.
If it`s thier best investment why are they the ones calling to switch currency?
Who do you think is going to stop buying thier shit,certainly not us,we have trade agreements ,so the product will not go anywhere different than before.
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Re: World War III on the horizen?? [Re: doyoutrip]
#10366416 - 05/19/09 10:23 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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No shit, something big happens every day.
Way to be vague to try and fill in the blanks.
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unretarded
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No,trivial shit the media makes look big happens everyday....nothing big has happened in a while.
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Re: World War III on the horizen?? [Re: unretarded]
#10366444 - 05/19/09 10:26 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Define big.
A tornado that rips through a town is big. If its your town.
A famine destroys a years worth of farming, that is a big fuckin' deal when its your farm.
I never said pay attention to the trivial news media.
edit: Can't spell.
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unretarded
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Big as in world changing ,not hometown news....
Now if that tornado wiped a entire state off the map or the entire state of crops were lost,thats big news,but not the big we are talking about,something that changes the way a entire country lives day to day big.
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Re: World War III on the horizen?? [Re: unretarded]
#10366607 - 05/19/09 10:52 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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The world changes everyday.
The important factor is ones frame of reference.
No need to worry about things beyond your control.
Will another war happen?
Why of course, there is always a war to be fought.
These conspiracy theories and paranoia thought process get old.
Some should just go stay in the bunker.
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Your either part of the problem or part of the solution...take yer pick.
There is no other position.
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Re: World War III on the horizen?? [Re: unretarded]
#10366656 - 05/19/09 10:59 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I didn't know the world was simply a dichotomy. 
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