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 Re: Druz Czar Says "END WAR ON DRUGS!  [Re: Silversoul]
#10341415 - 05/15/09 02:53 AM (4 years, 9 days ago) |
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Yeah but the problem in that is what realistic standards for bureaucracy look like:
* Not accomplishing anything = the best thing you can probably do
* Accomplishing anything besides repealing laws = fucking shit up
* Repealing laws = the only actual progress, but it never EVER happens
I've never known bureaucracy to function in any other way
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Things do get accomplished. Just not as quickly as people would like. You understand, the Constitution was actually designed to work that way. It's called checks and balances. It's why the Republicans are still able to block or delay Democratic legislation even after getting their asses kicked in the last two elections.
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Re: Druz Czar Says "END WAR ON DRUGS! [Re: Silversoul]
#10341443 - 05/15/09 02:57 AM (4 years, 9 days ago) |
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Yep ,they write the check and we pay the balances in sweat and hard work.
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Re: Druz Czar Says "END WAR ON DRUGS! [Re: Silversoul]
#10341486 - 05/15/09 03:05 AM (4 years, 9 days ago) |
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Yes, I understand things can still get accomplished. If you re-read my post, that's exactly what I'm saying the problem is.
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Entropymancer said:
Yes, I understand things can still get accomplished. If you re-read my post, that's exactly what I'm saying the problem is.
I'm guessing you're of a libertarian mindset which says that government is always the problem, right? You think the fewer laws the better, correct? If that's you're worldview, I won't try to argue with it. I used to believe that as well. It's just that I look around me at the paved roads and infrastructure, the mail that I get for free every day, the internet(which began as a government program), and so on, and I think that government can't be all bad.
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Re: Druz Czar Says "END WAR ON DRUGS! [Re: Silversoul]
#10341542 - 05/15/09 03:22 AM (4 years, 9 days ago) |
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Not exactly. I just think politicians are too fucking stupid or corrupt to be the ones passing legislation. Sometimes it's a combination, but I think stupidity is by far the largest factor.
A good rule of thumb someone posted recently: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
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Re: Druz Czar Says "END WAR ON DRUGS! [Re: Prisoner#1]
#10341645 - 05/15/09 03:53 AM (4 years, 9 days ago) |
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So its another one of those....
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Obama said:
overseas contingency operation
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Quote:
Entropymancer said:
Yeah but the problem in that is what realistic standards for bureaucracy look like:
* Not accomplishing anything = the best thing you can probably do
* Accomplishing anything besides repealing laws = fucking shit up
* Repealing laws = the only actual progress, but it never EVER happens
I've never known bureaucracy to function in any other way
Wow, you said that way better than I could dream of; it would take me a few paragraphs to say that, so I don't.
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Re: Druz Czar Says "END WAR ON DRUGS! [Re: Silversoul]
#10342065 - 05/15/09 07:23 AM (4 years, 8 days ago) |
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Silversoul said:
As far as I know, fines go back to the government budget office, which is under the legislative branch, as is SAMHSA.
SAMHSA is part of the Department of Health and Human Services,
it was established as an independent agency of the executive
branch of the United States Government, in other words it's part
of the presidents means of declaring people mentally unfit and
it there to suck money from the tax payers pockets
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guess what, they go on in regular prisons too, county jails, government administrative offices, the work place, etc...
where's our change?
that's right, $400 million to build a new detention center
The point of the articles was that there might be issues with trying to get them into regular prisons. They're why they're considering(but haven't decided upon) building that new prison.
or they're not and they're leaving guantanamo just as it is and obama was simply posturing again to appease the activists
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you've yet to back up a single claim in any possible way
Which claims would you like me to back up?
been mentioned, still not done
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You're impossible to argue with because you misinterpret every goddamn thing. By saying the drug courts don't go far enough, I meant that I'd like to see drug policy become even more progressive than that.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10339790#10339790
more progressive as has been described by the drug czar "arrests
alone are not enough", so drug offenders should be arrested,
tried under mental health policy, convicted and stripped og
their rights... YAY for Progress
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It's proof that what Holder ordered didn't get done right away. I don't know how that screw-up happened and neither do you.
I know exactly how it happened, it didnt conform to the obama
administrations new policies so they were raided, it's been
covered by me a few days prior to the raid, there's a huge
thread about holder and his statement on cessation if dispensary raids... it' not difficult to find
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Mandrake said:
politicians seem to follow a fairly predictable pattern and there's not much your average American can do to change that.
stop giving them their allowance, limit their terms, strip away
the retirement they receive for the rest of their life after a
single term, there's lots we can do to make a positive change in
government, poroblem is you'll always have ignorant people
saying "I need proof" and then claiming that proof isnt good enough
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there are 923 words in the english language that do not follow the "I before E"
rule, there are 44 words in the english language that follow the rule. this is
the shit our education funding is paying for and these liberals want more money
for education to keep making students stupid
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Re: Druz Czar Says "END WAR ON DRUGS! [Re: Silversoul]
#10342167 - 05/15/09 08:21 AM (4 years, 8 days ago) |
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Silversoul said:
I'm guessing you're of a libertarian mindset which says that government is always the problem, right?
is he wrong, is the big and ever growing government not a
problem? would smaller government be less of a problem, do we
need 2 huge agencies to do the same work or could we get by with
one large agency and get rid of 10,000 useless employees
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You think the fewer laws the better, correct?
do we need 18 ways to charge someone with the same crime, seems
to me that congress introduces all these bills just to justify
their existence, Joe "I wrote that legislation" Biden for
instance introduced a bill to make it illegal to smuggle drugs
via submarine and increase the penalties for doing so, wasnt it
already a crime to smuggle drugs, why was there a need to
specify yet another way of doing so
was some guy busted for smuggling drugs and a judge let him off
because he did so in a submarine since submarines were not
specifically mention in previous laws or something... seriously
what is the need for 30,000 redundant federal laws
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It's just that I look around me at the paved roads and infrastructure, the mail that I get for free every day, the internet(which began as a government program), and so on, and I think that government can't be all bad.
the mail you get for free now costs 42 cents to deliver, this
internet was trned over to the private sector and now it has to
be paid for and both law makers and providers are trying to
restrict and regulate it, the infrastructure that certainly
could have been built by private contractors with tax payer
funds and used as a means to blackmail the states to change
their laws to conform with federal suggestions, and example, the
drinking age, it used to be 18 over most of if not all of the
nation, here in the south we were made to raise it or be denied
federal road funds
oh, that seems fair too, you can enlist and die for the laws
that prevent you from making choices because while you're old
enough to carry killing devices and die for america, you're too
irresponsible to have a glass of wine with your meal at a
restaurant
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there are 923 words in the english language that do not follow the "I before E"
rule, there are 44 words in the english language that follow the rule. this is
the shit our education funding is paying for and these liberals want more money
for education to keep making students stupid
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Re: Druz Czar Says "END WAR ON DRUGS! [Re: Prisoner#1]
#10342208 - 05/15/09 08:35 AM (4 years, 8 days ago) |
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'The administration also said federal authorities would no longer raid medical-marijuana dispensaries in the 13 states where voters have made medical marijuana legal'
WOW
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