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 Druz Czar Says "END WAR ON DRUGS! 
#10339135 - 05/14/09 07:35 PM (4 years, 10 days ago) |
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this is a must read, if you dont, you'll regret it
if you do, you'll ask the same thing I ask
when do the laws change
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124225891527617397.html
edit: title change, lets see what happens now
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Edited by Prisoner#1 (05/14/09 07:58 PM)
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Prisoner#1
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Re: Druz Czar Says "END WAR ON DRUGS! [Re: Prisoner#1]
#10339282 - 05/14/09 08:00 PM (4 years, 10 days ago) |
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look at me... I'ma bump this thread
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there are 923 words in the english language that do not follow the "I before E"
rule, there are 44 words in the english language that follow the rule. this is
the shit our education funding is paying for and these liberals want more money
for education to keep making students stupid
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Knifey Mcstab
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Re: Druz Czar Says "END WAR ON DRUGS! [Re: Prisoner#1]
#10339304 - 05/14/09 08:04 PM (4 years, 10 days ago) |
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Ya, I've read it. I'll believe it when I see it, that being said, I think Gil has a good head on his shoulders.
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Re: Druz Czar Says "END WAR ON DRUGS! [Re: Prisoner#1]
#10339316 - 05/14/09 08:06 PM (4 years, 10 days ago) |
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Obama administration FTW.
I'm still not used to this whole "the president is a sensible human being" idea.
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Knifey Mcstab
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Re: Druz Czar Says "END WAR ON DRUGS! [Re: laserpig]
#10339324 - 05/14/09 08:09 PM (4 years, 10 days ago) |
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Pfft, that's a completely different argument entirely.
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Re: Druz Czar Says "END WAR ON DRUGS! [Re: Prisoner#1]
#10339347 - 05/14/09 08:12 PM (4 years, 10 days ago) |
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WOW, that is REALLY big news...
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The administration also said federal authorities would no longer raid medical-marijuana dispensaries in the 13 states where voters have made medical marijuana legal. Agents had previously done so under federal law, which doesn't provide for any exceptions to its marijuana prohibition.
!!
That is a massive milestone.
Now get cracking on passing these laws.
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Re: Druz Czar Says "END WAR ON DRUGS! [Re: Chubba]
#10339422 - 05/14/09 08:23 PM (4 years, 10 days ago) |
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There have been other posts here and elsewhere on this, fact is they said the medicinal thing a while ago, haven't followed through with it and this czar who isn't a "czar" wants to increase penalties and lower the threshold for possession with marijuana. I'm not holding my breath
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Re: Druz Czar Says "END WAR ON DRUGS! [Re: Prisoner#1]
#10339443 - 05/14/09 08:26 PM (4 years, 10 days ago) |
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It's a huge step, but still only a step. We have to campaign harder than ever for them to repeal drug laws such as the Controlled Substances Act.
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Re: Druz Czar Says "END WAR ON DRUGS! [Re: bbl337]
#10339447 - 05/14/09 08:27 PM (4 years, 10 days ago) |
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The drug czar did not say he wanted to end the war on drugs... he said he wanted to change the name, removing the word "war". Now, instead of drug users being criminals, they will be drug addicts and imprisoned in rehab facilities. Nothing will change with respect to prohibition. Drugs will remain illegal. Black market drug sales will continue to finance violence.
Change, yes we can. 
> It's a huge step, but still only a step.
It isn't even a step. It is smoke and mirrors. Hey look, new name! Now, better than ever! Nothing has changed, but now you get to meet Jesus at your lifetime mandated NA meetings! Praise be! Praise be!
Edited by Seuss (05/14/09 08:31 PM)
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Re: Druz Czar Says "END WAR ON DRUGS! [Re: laserpig]
#10339493 - 05/14/09 08:34 PM (4 years, 10 days ago) |
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laserpig said:
Obama administration FTW.
I'm still not used to this whole "the president is a sensible human being" idea.
wrong... it's simply an articulation issue, we can call it the
fruitloops and raisin bran assault squad but it's still the war
on drugs/drug users, learn that the Obamessiah is just telling
his people to yank our chains some more, until the laws change,
it's still a crime and you can and probably will be prosecuted
if you're ever busted
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there are 923 words in the english language that do not follow the "I before E"
rule, there are 44 words in the english language that follow the rule. this is
the shit our education funding is paying for and these liberals want more money
for education to keep making students stupid
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Re: Druz Czar Says "END WAR ON DRUGS! [Re: Seuss]
#10339494 - 05/14/09 08:35 PM (4 years, 10 days ago) |
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This could mean really good things or really really bad things.......how about a lifetime of piss tests for one possesion charge.......
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Re: Druz Czar Says "END WAR ON DRUGS! [Re: Seuss]
#10339517 - 05/14/09 08:39 PM (4 years, 10 days ago) |
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Quote:
Seuss said:
The drug czar did not say he wanted to end the war on drugs... he said he wanted to change the name, removing the word "war". Now, instead of drug users being criminals, they will be drug addicts and imprisoned in rehab facilities. Nothing will change with respect to prohibition. Drugs will remain illegal. Black market drug sales will continue to finance violence.
Change, yes we can.
> It's a huge step, but still only a step.
It isn't even a step. It is smoke and mirrors. Hey look, new name! Now, better than ever! Nothing has changed, but now you get to meet Jesus at your lifetime mandated NA meetings! Praise be! Praise be!
You're pathetic. There's no pleasing you, is there? You're determined to badmouth the administration no matter how much progress they make. This is not just a name change. It reflects a change in priorities from viewing drugs as a criminal problem to a health problem. Of course it doesn't mean legalization, but it means a fundamental change in strategy.
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Re: Druz Czar Says "END WAR ON DRUGS! [Re: Silversoul]
#10339519 - 05/14/09 08:39 PM (4 years, 10 days ago) |
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Silversoul said:
It's a huge step, but still only a step. We have to campaign harder than ever for them to repeal drug laws such as the Controlled Substances Act.
it's absolutely nothing but a means to make people shut the hell
up, so far it looks like it's working, I hope tyhat more people
are thinking like you because you're right, it's time to drive
the point home
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there are 923 words in the english language that do not follow the "I before E"
rule, there are 44 words in the english language that follow the rule. this is
the shit our education funding is paying for and these liberals want more money
for education to keep making students stupid
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Re: Druz Czar Says "END WAR ON DRUGS! [Re: Silversoul]
#10339546 - 05/14/09 08:44 PM (4 years, 10 days ago) |
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Silversoul said:
You're pathetic. There's no pleasing you, is there? You're determined to badmouth the administration no matter how much progress they make. This is not just a name change. It reflects a change in priorities from viewing drugs as a criminal problem to a health problem.
not quite, Seuss is right
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"Regardless of how you try to explain to people it's a 'war on drugs' or a 'war on a product,' people see a war as a war on them," he said. "We're not at war with people in this country."
The Obama administration is likely to deal with drugs as a matter of public health rather than criminal justice alone
so now it's a sentance to drug treatment and then prison time on
subsequent offenses, much like people are being sentenced to
already on the local level... no change yet
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there are 923 words in the english language that do not follow the "I before E"
rule, there are 44 words in the english language that follow the rule. this is
the shit our education funding is paying for and these liberals want more money
for education to keep making students stupid
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Re: Druz Czar Says "END WAR ON DRUGS! [Re: Prisoner#1]
#10339561 - 05/14/09 08:46 PM (4 years, 10 days ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said:
so now it's a sentance to drug treatment and then prison time on
subsequent offenses, much like people are being sentenced to
already on the local level... no change yet
At some local levels, yes. But not nearly widespread enough. What it likely means is that we can expect the expansion of drug treatment facilities and drug courts, which allow addicts to get the help they need. This doesn't mean a lot for potheads and psychedelic users, but it is a huge step forward for drug policy in general.
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Re: Druz Czar Says "END WAR ON DRUGS! [Re: Prisoner#1]
#10339581 - 05/14/09 08:50 PM (4 years, 10 days ago) |
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I always took the fact that "the war on drugs needing change" meant harsher penalties and more enforcement on drug laws. But whatever, good to see some sensible change.
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Re: Druz Czar Says "END WAR ON DRUGS! [Re: Silversoul]
#10339583 - 05/14/09 08:50 PM (4 years, 10 days ago) |
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> You're pathetic. There's no pleasing you, is there?
End prohibition and I am pleased. Why does this make me pathetic? Because I believe in personal responsibility? Because I believe in freedom? Because I believe in a small government? Because I disagree with the government micromanaging my life? Because I don't believe that I have the right to tell you how to live your life anymore than you have the right to tell me how to live mine? Are these what make me pathetic?
If I am pathetic because I don't support Obama, then so be it. Obama is another Bush is another Clinton is another bigot that will throw me in jail for doing the same drugs that they did before they became president.
> You're determined to badmouth the administration no matter how much progress they make.
Renaming the "war on drugs" to something else isn't progress. Ending prohibition is progress. I'd even go for decriminalization as a small step. But no, read the article and try to comprehend what is being said. Nothing is changing but the name. Rather than label drug users criminals, they will now label drug users as addicts. Rather than imprisoning drug users in prisons, they will now imprison drug users in rehab facilities. Rather than sending drug users to criminal courts, they will now send drug users to drug courts. Nothing has changed, but I am pathetic? Try again. Obama is the pathetic one for being a bigoted coward that refuses to make real change and instead tries to win over people by making a name a bit more politically correct.
> Of course it doesn't mean legalization, but it means a fundamental change in strategy.
What has changed, besides the name? Are drugs still illegal? Do illegal drug sales still finance violence? Are people still going to lose their freedom for using drugs? Are people still going to be drug tested? How pathetic of me to want real change rather that the BS that the Obama administration is spouting.
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Re: Druz Czar Says "END WAR ON DRUGS! [Re: Silversoul]
#10339589 - 05/14/09 08:52 PM (4 years, 10 days ago) |
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in other localities it's probation and drug treatment, in some
locations it;s a fine and drug treatment, in 13 states it's just a
fine, it means diddly squat on the federal level and all this is
is the obama administration blowing more smoke up our asses
until the laws change... when the drug czar says "we've repealed
the marijuana prohibition laws..." then there's progress
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there are 923 words in the english language that do not follow the "I before E"
rule, there are 44 words in the english language that follow the rule. this is
the shit our education funding is paying for and these liberals want more money
for education to keep making students stupid
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Re: Druz Czar Says "END WAR ON DRUGS! [Re: Serdal]
#10339618 - 05/14/09 08:57 PM (4 years, 10 days ago) |
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Serdal said:
I always took the fact that "the war on drugs needing change" meant harsher penalties and more enforcement on drug laws. But whatever, good to see some sensible change.
what sensible change, he was the Seattle and in 2003 the voters
said they wanted change, the voted to make marijuana a low
priority issue for cops, most cops supported it, not this
dickweed. he stated tha the people were wrong, that marijuana
was still a dangerous drug and needed higher priority, even the
men under his command had no faith in him because he didnt want
to honor the wishes of the voters
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there are 923 words in the english language that do not follow the "I before E"
rule, there are 44 words in the english language that follow the rule. this is
the shit our education funding is paying for and these liberals want more money
for education to keep making students stupid
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Re: Druz Czar Says "END WAR ON DRUGS! [Re: Seuss]
#10339658 - 05/14/09 09:04 PM (4 years, 10 days ago) |
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Seuss said:
> You're pathetic. There's no pleasing you, is there?
End prohibition and I am pleased. Why does this make me pathetic? Because I believe in personal responsibility? Because I believe in freedom? Because I believe in a small government? Because I disagree with the government micromanaging my life? Because I don't believe that I have the right to tell you how to live your life anymore than you have the right to tell me how to live mine? Are these what make me pathetic?
If I am pathetic because I don't support Obama, then so be it. Obama is another Bush is another Clinton is another bigot that will throw me in jail for doing the same drugs that they did before they became president.
You're pathetic because you complain about the Obama administration even when it does something right. Even with Bush, I was willing to give him credit on those rare occasions when he was. I encourage you to shout from the hilltops when he does something wrong, but when you bitch about stuff like this, it just shows you to be a bitter, hateful person. Knee-jerk whining about someone even when they do something right is what makes you and Pris pathetic.
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> You're determined to badmouth the administration no matter how much progress they make.
Renaming the "war on drugs" to something else isn't progress. Ending prohibition is progress. I'd even go for decriminalization as a small step. But no, read the article and try to comprehend what is being said. Nothing is changing but the name. Rather than label drug users criminals, they will now label drug users as addicts. Rather than imprisoning drug users in prisons, they will now imprison drug users in rehab facilities. Rather than sending drug users to criminal courts, they will now send drug users to drug courts. Nothing has changed, but I am pathetic? Try again. Obama is the pathetic one for being a bigoted coward that refuses to make real change and instead tries to win over people by making a name a bit more politically correct.
Apparently you don't understand the difference between progress and the endgame.
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> Of course it doesn't mean legalization, but it means a fundamental change in strategy.
What has changed, besides the name? Are drugs still illegal? Do illegal drug sales still finance violence? Are people still going to lose their freedom for using drugs? Are people still going to be drug tested? How pathetic of me to want real change rather that the BS that the Obama administration is spouting.
For one thing, you need to realize that we're not talking about Obama, but rather his Drug Czar, who has been progressive on drug policy since before he was nominated to this position. Second, a shift from a criminal approach to drugs to a public health approach is a huge step in the right direction. But you don't see that. For you it's "Waaaaah! I'm not getting exactly what I want right away!" You refuse to see that progress doesn't happen all at once.
Again, pathetic.
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