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Anonymous #55
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Suicide is natural selection in action, dude. It's nature
I'm not sure you understand natural selection very well. Suicide is not the result of a lack of adaptation.
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The group of people who commit suicide the most are the elderly, followed by college-aged people.
Which basically completely negates what you said about natural selection. If people are committing suicide AFTER they've likely reproduced, then it's sure as hell not natural selection.
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The ones that survive and are glad that they did are the ones who are meant to continue to contribute. The ones who die are the ones whose contributions were no longer necessary.
How does that make any sense? Some magical force comes in and saves the people who were needed, but lets the unnecessary ones die? Give me a break.
The ones who succeed in killing themselves are no less likely to have been useful members of society. And even if this was true, lots of people who survive do so because others intervened and helped them, or convinced them not to, or even physically restrained them/locked them up. Thus magically turning them from useless people into necessary members of society.
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Everyone has a right to die if they want to. Who are you to question someone's right to take their own life? You're not them. You don't know what combination of factors led to that conclusion and you can't assume that people who make this choice are delusional or misguided, just because they do something that you don't agree with.
Obviously you don't understand my point of view... and you've probably never spent any time dealing with groups of emotionally troubled teens.
I have no problem with assisted suicide for the chronically ill, that's an entirely different issue. But to claim that anyone under the age of 25 who is reasonably healthy has carefully thought out their decision, and fully understands the consequences is ridiculous.
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Anonymous #34
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Thus magically turning them from useless people into necessary members of society.
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Anonymous #55
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Also, pretty much all young people who commit suicide do so because they don't understand their own problems, are too embarrassed and immature to go to others for help, and are afraid of all kinds of social pressures that in a few short years they'll be able to deal with.
But if you can say something to someone to prevent them from committing suicide, you should do it. Considering that if they don't, they'll probably be glad they didn't a while later, and be very glad they were talked out of it. Not to mention their friends and family.
Calling me a control freak is ludicrous. I never said that people should be controlled in any way. What I'm saying is that especially when young people commit suicide (and often older people too), it's not a solid, reasoned decision.
There's a man from my city who was fairly well known. He was a local historian, playwright, and involved in all sorts of things in the community. I worked with him on several occasions. While he was usually perfectly fine, he was diagnosed bi-polar, and had several breakdowns that he recovered from, and publicly talked about how his life was happy and going well. One day he was found hanging in his house. He was supposed to be going to the opening night of his new place that evening.
This clearly had more to do with a sudden imbalance than a rational decision. It's like this with most suicides.
If everyone who wanted to commit suicide was going to feel this way forever, and never be happy, I'd agree with you. But that is nothing like reality.
I somehow doubt you've ever had a close friend or family member commit suicide, or ever been in a situation where it seemed very likely that your life was going to be destroyed. Most people who are in situations that seem hopeless need help and encouragement, they don't need to be egged on to kill themselves.
Keep in mind that natural selection and evolution have nothing to do with becoming more intelligent, nicer, etc... They only have to do with survival and reproduction. It should be noted that many diseases have gone through far more generations, and have become far more efficient at reproducing and spreading than humans are, and are certainly better evolved. If everyone who considered suicide did so, I seriously doubt society would be better off in any way.
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Anonymous #48
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But to claim that anyone under the age of 25 who is reasonably healthy has carefully thought out their decision, and fully understands the consequences is ridiculous.
lol, so people under the age of 25 cannot think rationally and clearly and can't consider the consequences of their actions.
if that is what you are trying to say, then i say that you are the one making the ridiculous statements around here.
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Anonymous #55
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That's exactly what I'm saying, to some extent. More to the point, almost nobody ever thinks rationally.
Pretty much everyone makes decisions based on emotions far more than they do on reason. Despite the fact that we all believe that we're intelligent, reasoning people, this is far less true that we've convinced ourselves.
However, this is even more true for teenagers. The teenage mind is a pretty well studied thing. It's quite well documented that teenagers are far more likely to take risks, make wild and irrational decisions, and assume that they know a lot more than they actually do. This isn't something I'm pulling out of my ass.
There's a reason why teens and young adults are more likely to be depressed, commit crimes, or generally act like idiots.
Maybe read through this: http://health.howstuffworks.com/teenage-brain1.htm
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Anonymous #48
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we all know that teenagers are unstable, but you said people under 25.
quit back tracking.
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Anonymous #29
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I'm glad I was one of those who "egged him on".
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Anonymous #5
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If #1's brother is really 17, then he's not allowed to post on the Shroomery. 
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Obvious troll is obvious.
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