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 the flower of life / fractal geometric hallucination *DELETED* 
#10239073 - 04/26/09 07:51 PM (3 years, 30 days ago) |
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 jivJaN
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Re: the flower of life / fractal geometric hallucination [Re: ninsopolis]
#10240109 - 04/26/09 10:05 PM (3 years, 30 days ago) |
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I think i know 
I closed my eyes after exhaling .. and through the mushroom i could communicate with marijuana.
This image filled up my entire vision , and it wasnt really in color. I dont really have such colorful trips.. its usually very bright clear light. Kind of all the colors mixed..
Anyhow.. as i opened my eyes .. these leaf looking shapes seemed to connect every little part of physical reality.
It made me think how much we take marijuana for granted , and how much we kill our lungs without ever really experiencing the real deal.
It made me think about a lot more things..
All in all.. the only thing i can really say without mixing in some (to be- misunderstood ) , inadequate words - I am grateful that we have the mushroom
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They are derived from an acute mental illness , from which i am forced to lie compulsively.
I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal.
If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..
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Re: the flower of life / fractal geometric hallucination [Re: jivJaN]
#10240912 - 04/27/09 01:42 AM (3 years, 30 days ago) |
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That is indeed it! Color it Purple, put it on the back of my darkened eyelids, add life ... and there you go ...
I am so very curious how many other people have/are experiencing this...
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Re: the flower of life / fractal geometric hallucination [Re: ninsopolis]
#10240916 - 04/27/09 01:43 AM (3 years, 30 days ago) |
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I posted an article in this forum. Apparently geometric hallucinations are just the result of the brain trying to create order and reasoning when it is altered and disorganized.
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ninsopolis
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Re: the flower of life / fractal geometric hallucination [Re: ninsopolis]
#10240944 - 04/27/09 01:52 AM (3 years, 30 days ago) |
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Now I'm wondering ... Is this the shamanic space ... the beginning or otherwise some level of it? The images that I see when I focus, for the most part ... seem to have an urgency to them. If so .... ???
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Re: the flower of life / fractal geometric hallucination [Re: ninsopolis]
#10240950 - 04/27/09 01:56 AM (3 years, 30 days ago) |
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Re: the flower of life / fractal geometric hallucination [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#10241055 - 04/27/09 03:06 AM (3 years, 30 days ago) |
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Cognitive_Shift said:
I posted an article in this forum. Apparently geometric hallucinations are just the result of the brain trying to create order and reasoning when it is altered and disorganized.
I dont buy that.
If that were the case , i dont think you could really find two people that react the same way to this chemically induced disorganization.
It seems more that the visions correlate to the substance than the person.
I get very defensive when people try to say "Its all in your head".
"Its the brain doing this and that , so thats why this or that happens"
People that have never eaten mushrooms..and never even heard anything about the effects.. report the same visions.
This girl i know - picked some mushrooms while hiking .. didnt really know .. so she ate a bunch of em.
So i asked her : Did you see the elven folk ?
She's like WHAAT ?
- you know.. the little guys..
Apparently she hadnt told anyone about this.. nor had she ever heard of the mushroom having effects like this.. so she kept to herself thinking she just went crazy.
It was a very big relief for her to find out that the little guys constructing in the bushes.. are in fact real , or at least that there is another crazy person just like her that thinks they are
I dont want to go on too much.. i know this is a forum for debate.. but im not so sure the OP had that in mind.
Nevertheless.. if you really stand by this theory and have more to present besides that highly speculative article..
I will be more than happy to crush it...
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All my posts in this forum are strictly fictional.
They are derived from an acute mental illness , from which i am forced to lie compulsively.
I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal.
If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..
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Re: the flower of life / fractal geometric hallucination [Re: jivJaN]
#10241057 - 04/27/09 03:10 AM (3 years, 30 days ago) |
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jivJaN said:
I dont buy that.
Yeah what do mathematicians know...???? http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10088496#10088496
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Re: the flower of life / fractal geometric hallucination [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#10241091 - 04/27/09 03:36 AM (3 years, 30 days ago) |
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Nevertheless.. if you really stand by this theory and have more to present besides that highly speculative article..
I already read it.. no need to post it again.
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Yeah what do mathematicians know...????
Some things..
But when it comes to discussion like this they have as much proof as i have when i say i can talk to plants.
I didnt try to offend you or anything..
Sometimes i joke around..
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I will be more than happy to crush it
Like that..
Besides the fact that i truly think i could knock down any theory , even "scientific" research claiming that the brain is somehow responsible for all of this i didnt wish to go at YOU
Just for the record.
I like challenging people that take things like math ,psychology etc.. for FACT.
You presented your response like it was fact.
When it really isnt , even though i dont care about facts or proof.
For some reason.. when people give such unsound credibility to conventional science.. and spread the information like its some unbreakable axiom.. I look at that the same way i look at christians going around and asking you to join their bible sessions.
I dont like messing with proof.
But..you used mathematics.
So i have to.
And im saying.. you have none.
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All my posts in this forum are strictly fictional.
They are derived from an acute mental illness , from which i am forced to lie compulsively.
I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal.
If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..
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Re: the flower of life / fractal geometric hallucination [Re: jivJaN]
#10241207 - 04/27/09 04:50 AM (3 years, 30 days ago) |
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jivJaN said:
People that have never eaten mushrooms..and never even heard anything about the effects.. report the same visions.
Yes, because we are all humans and share the same DNA. We have a mostly uniform neural structure; look up form constants.
There is no need to discard higher level visions (of which I suspect you are referring to) when necessarily taking into account a scientific explanation of the material basis for the immaterial.
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Re: the flower of life / fractal geometric hallucination [Re: deCypher]
#10241273 - 04/27/09 05:25 AM (3 years, 30 days ago) |
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Yes, because we are all humans and share the same DNA.
How do you know ?
But..even if i assume you're correct...
So ?
Our DNA then determines how we perceive the non psychedelic reality ?
So then.. do psychedelics change our DNA ?
How is it that we pretty much perceive physical reality the same way..
But our psychedelic experiences are so different, along with the messages we extract from em.
We're philosophizing about it - God damn it !
Btw.. there's been some evidence of children having different DNA than the rest of us - supposedly the so called indigo children.
(How do i know ? )
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1.MATH (or conventional physics).. is (or is supposed to be ) a very precise science.
Not too much room for error - one number.. one decimal off.. and everything goes to waste.
2. These sciences.. follow certain mathematical and physical laws ( which are also up for debate as far as im concerned)
If i am to follow these two simple characteristics ... and respond to an argument which was constructed by following them as well..
I would tell you.. that if our DNA is the same.. And that is why we see little elves..
THEN everybody would see them or at least a very large portion.
Dont you think ?
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All my posts in this forum are strictly fictional.
They are derived from an acute mental illness , from which i am forced to lie compulsively.
I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal.
If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..
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Re: the flower of life / fractal geometric hallucination [Re: jivJaN]
#10241299 - 04/27/09 05:40 AM (3 years, 30 days ago) |
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jivJaN said:
How is it that we pretty much perceive physical reality the same way..
But our psychedelic experiences are so different, along with the messages we extract from em.
We're philosophizing about it - God damn it !
On the material plane, we have the interaction of different molecules with the normal complex functioning system of neurons, synapses, and neurotransmitters. On the mental, we have Awareness and all of its myriad different forms of altered consciousness. No need to be exclusive to one in favor of the other; ultimately both must be unified into a single theory.
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jivJaN said:
I would tell you.. that if our DNA is the same.. And that is why we see little elves..
THEN everybody would see them or at least a very large portion.
Dont you think ?
Elves are of a significantly higher complexity and associative context than the fractal-like patterns seen on marijuana or via form constants. These would show up at a lesser frequency IMO; also it probably would depend upon a person's temperament and what they believe the psychedelic experience is.
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Re: the flower of life / fractal geometric hallucination [Re: deCypher]
#10246890 - 04/27/09 10:57 PM (3 years, 29 days ago) |
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Hmm... No takers, huh? Must be my trip ...
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Re: the flower of life / fractal geometric hallucination [Re: ninsopolis]
#10249047 - 04/28/09 11:00 AM (3 years, 29 days ago) |
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COG that article is pretty interesting. However I think it highlights a pretty obvious facet of the psychedelic experience. To me psychedelics really deserve that name, a lot of these compounds can brute the brain into revealing some of its hidden nature.
But the implications of all of that isn't raped by some science surrounding it, in fact it really underscores how intricate the perceiver side of the experience "equation" is... our brain is ridiculous. However I am very strongly skeptical of the possibility of any good unified theory of the mind. I think mindness is pretty hard to comprehend, and I don't see how we can ever comprehend it. I wonder how far reason extends in the most intricate realm. I mean I suppose there is real action going on, I just do not see how it could ever be comprehended. The how explanations would probably just lead to loups that philosophy already is trying to interpret.
That is something I think is very interesting, how worldview and disposition are tools in our interpretation of data of any sort really.
What it boils down to is that these geometric patterns seem to me subconscious and/or perhaps developmental aspects of the brain which are parts of the substrate of the self that we all are, that uses language and representations to lend itself an identity. Well, because your body is an identity of sorts. Things get really interesting when psychedelics render not only geometric patterns but get to full on hallucinations. But I dunno I think the same sort of principle could be at work, just exaggerating? Not sure. Just think of DMT and salvia... pretty wild shit.
The mind is an enigma, its hard to figure out just how aethetizing we are.
But to the OP, yeah I think I understand a lot about what you have to say. On DMT I can relate a lot of what you have to say, not to mention the stronger trips where I def feel what I feel to be a female presence and have actually seen a female figure and face that was pretty feline and "jesting" - I dunno, its like when we scrape down into the subconscious some pretty ridiculous things happen. I guess I agree, it does feel like life is a pretty funny thing at bottom. Something weird is going on here... oh and OP check out some Jungian stuff, his theories on the anima and animus seem pretty interesting to what has been said here.
Good posts guys 
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