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 OZZ
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 King oyster and Phoenix Oyster .... 
#10212370 - 04/22/09 09:29 AM (4 years, 28 days ago) |
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Well, I have 3 quarts of King oyster and 2 quarts of Phoenix oyster that are ready to be spawned today ... Ive read all the threads, searched a shit ton ... and yet, I cant decide which of the many substrates I have available should be used.
I have a TON of paper products that need to be used so Im pretty sure I want to use those for the Phoenix Oysters but Im not sure what I should do for the Kings.
I have wheat straw, PLENTY of paper towls, shredded office paper, etc, etc as mentioned above, 10 gallons of sawdust collected from Home Depot's saw's, and a bunch of horse poo. I heard Kings really like compost type substrates and I really need to use the horse poo.
Whats your guys votes? Wheat straw and Poo just like cubes?
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Re: King oyster and Phoenix Oyster .... [Re: OZZ]
#10212555 - 04/22/09 10:49 AM (4 years, 28 days ago) |
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I'm currently doing a grow with just wood chips I got for smoking. I'd say mix something up with straw and the sawdust, I remember reading kings being a wood lover... Perhaps try spawning half of the king to a mixture of straw and poo?
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Re: King oyster and Phoenix Oyster .... [Re: OZZ]
#10212732 - 04/22/09 11:38 AM (4 years, 28 days ago) |
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Use all the paper waste. Kings love paper!!
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Re: King oyster and Phoenix Oyster .... [Re: lipa]
#10212816 - 04/22/09 11:59 AM (4 years, 28 days ago) |
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I say give the kings the sawdust. Give the phoenix the paper or straw.
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Thanks for the input guys ...
I think since I have 3 quarts of King spawn ... Im going to do three separate blocks of different substrates to see how the yields are and compare the results.
Ill do one paper product block, one straw and horse poo block, and on the third block Ill use the sawdust .... but I probably should mix it with something and I dont want to mix it with something thats in one of the other two blocks since its an experiment of sorts.
So I was thinking maybe sawdust and coir for the third block.
- and Ill add a little gypsum to all the blocks.
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Re: King oyster and Phoenix Oyster .... [Re: OZZ]
#10212888 - 04/22/09 12:14 PM (4 years, 28 days ago) |
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just add bran to the sawdust block
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Re: King oyster and Phoenix Oyster .... [Re: OZZ]
#10212910 - 04/22/09 12:20 PM (4 years, 28 days ago) |
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If you are adding 1 whole quart of spawn to each bag I wouldn't bother with supplementing it. It is not necessary. Pasteurize you're substrates and inoculate. Save the myco bags for some other project.
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Edited by lipa (04/22/09 12:21 PM)
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Re: King oyster and Phoenix Oyster .... [Re: lipa]
#10213015 - 04/22/09 12:48 PM (4 years, 28 days ago) |
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Ah good point! I'm used to only adding a handful of grain to each block hence the bran. With a quart of spawn in theory you are supplementing at spawning. 
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Re: King oyster and Phoenix Oyster .... [Re: OZZ]
#10219654 - 04/23/09 01:48 PM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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Quote:
OZZ said:
10 gallons of sawdust collected from Home Depot's saw's
You sure it's not pressure treated? If so, how did you get them to separate it for you from all that PT lumber they sell?
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Re: King oyster and Phoenix Oyster .... [Re: cuddlebear]
#10220758 - 04/23/09 05:47 PM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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No Im not sure. I didnt get them to seperate it ..
So whats the deal with the treated wood anyway? Is it that it makes the mushrooms toxic for consumption or simply that they dont grow on it?
Regardless ... the deed is done.
Last night I spawned a bunch of substrate.
My greenhouse is going to be a rocking in about 2-3 weeks.
Officially I have 3 shiitake blocks, 3 King Oyster blocks (1 hpoo/wheat straw, 1 paper products, 1 sawdust), 1 black poplar block (sawdust), 2 phoenix oyster blocks (1 straw, 1 paper), 1 phoenix oyster bucket (straw). and my three reishi blocks that are fruiting now in it.
Coming up is more black poplar, king oyster, and phoenix oyster ... with the addition of lions mane and pink oyster.
I hope theres enough room in the GH some of these blocks are BIG. Probably 10-15 lbs or so on a few of them.
Edited by OZZ (04/23/09 05:59 PM)
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Re: King oyster and Phoenix Oyster .... [Re: OZZ]
#10221033 - 04/23/09 06:39 PM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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I'll eat nearly anything:
Fish from polluted water, roadside weeds, mushrooms from the side of the hiway, seaweed, shellfish, any weird thing I find in Chinatown. I drink the water in Mexico.....
...but I wouldn't eat the Home Depot Sawdust Mushrooms.
Pressure treated woods are made rot resistant with toxic heavy metals, nowadays Copper azole and Alkaline Quarternary Copper.
Many mushrooms accumulate heavy metals. THis means almost all the heavy metals that were in your large amount of substrate will be in your small amount of mushrooms.
Azole compounds are typically used as antifungal agents, but at some low concentration, mycelium will tolerate it. This does not assure you, in any sense, of safe fruits.
Older pressure treated wood was treated with chromated copper arsenate. Chrome and arsenic make copper toxicity look like a pussy. Creosote is also loaded with heavy metals. This is why you must never use demolition waste to grow mushrooms.
They will cut a lot of chip board, particle board, MDF and other composite materials. What heavy metals are in those I don't know, but the guys who formulate this stuff are not expecting it to go into food streams.
So if you're gonna eat them anyway...first take some "before" pictures of yourself for your Shroomery post.
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Re: King oyster and Phoenix Oyster .... [Re: Jef]
#10221063 - 04/23/09 06:46 PM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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Quote:
Jef said:
I'll eat nearly anything:
Fish from polluted water, roadside weeds, mushrooms from the side of the hiway, seaweed, shellfish, any weird thing I find in Chinatown. I drink the water in Mexico.....
...but I wouldn't eat the Home Depot Sawdust Mushrooms.
Pressure treated woods are made rot resistant with toxic heavy metals, nowadays Copper azole and Alkaline Quarternary Copper.
Many mushrooms accumulate heavy metals. THis means almost all the heavy metals that were in your large amount of substrate will be in your small amount of mushrooms.
Azole compounds are typically used as antifungal agents, but at some low concentration, mycelium will tolerate it. This does not assure you, in any sense, of safe fruits.
Older pressure treated wood was treated with chromated copper arsenate. Chrome and arsenic make copper toxicity look like a pussy. Creosote is also loaded with heavy metals. This is why you must never use demolition waste to grow mushrooms.
They will cut a lot of chip board, particle board, MDF and other composite materials. What heavy metals are in those I don't know, but the guys who formulate this stuff are not expecting it to go into food streams.
So if you're gonna eat them anyway...first take some "before" pictures of yourself for your Shroomery post.
Is there any way to tell if wood has been pressure treated? For example, I went to a local cabinet shop and got 2 large trash bags of cherry sawdust (I know for sure that the sawdust does not contain MDF or particle board or anything like that)... would I have anything to worry about?
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Re: King oyster and Phoenix Oyster .... [Re: jjb007]
#10221129 - 04/23/09 06:58 PM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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Quote:
jjb007 said:
Is there any way to tell if wood has been pressure treated? For example, I went to a local cabinet shop and got 2 large trash bags of cherry sawdust (I know for sure that the sawdust does not contain MDF or particle board or anything like that)... would I have anything to worry about?
Usually, pressure treating is only used on softwoods and for outdoor use.
Cherry is a hardwood, and I've never heard of it being used outdoors, so I think you should be fine with that.
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Re: King oyster and Phoenix Oyster .... [Re: Jef]
#10222077 - 04/23/09 09:30 PM (4 years, 26 days ago) |
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Well shit balls ..... isn't that just a kicker.
Good thing I have some other grows going. I guess Ill just have to take some prints off of those sawdust grows 
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Re: King oyster and Phoenix Oyster .... [Re: OZZ]
#10272410 - 05/02/09 11:18 AM (4 years, 18 days ago) |
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How's it going with your grow?
I just inoculated some WBS jars with some Phoenix Oyster culture and am trying to decide what I should do with them. No place around here seems to have straw, so I'll probably try newspaper and maybe some straw-like wild grass that grows in my backyard.
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Re: King oyster and Phoenix Oyster .... [Re: cuddlebear]
#10272727 - 05/02/09 12:52 PM (4 years, 18 days ago) |
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Its going well. A few of the blocks are getting close to being ready for to go into the greenhouse, while some others are still colonizing.
All are doing well though.
3 king oyster blocks, 3 shiitake blocks, 3 phoenix oyster blocks, 1 black poplar block, and 2 lions mane blocks all colonizing 
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