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JoeyBond
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Re: How to identify Psilocybe Species and Panaeolus. (Illus.)

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#2724497 - 05/24/04 09:46 PM (9 years, 23 hours ago)

so what about any thing refering to the brown and choclate spores or black what does do that but isnt edible? please answer this cause no one is answering my posts

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mjshroomer
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Re: How to identify Psilocybe Species and Panaeolus. (Illus.)

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#2724796 - 05/24/04 10:52 PM (9 years, 22 hours ago)

Your first sentence makes no sense.

mj

Psilocybes have chocolate to purple brown p spores.

Panaeolus and Copelandia have jet black. There is no purple tinges in jet black spores.

Different families have different colored spore prints and that is how one differentiates betwenen various specie sof fungi.

Read the faqs

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nefarious slug
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Re: How to identify Psilocybe Species and Panaeolus. (Illus.)

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#6903234 - 05/11/07 08:20 PM (6 years, 14 days ago)

Ok, I have found what I believe are Panaeolus subbalteatus mushrooms.

They were growing in clusters out of some composting hay bales. The temperature has been mild and humid/rainy for the last week or some. So the climate seems right. I picked some and started to dry them, but I figured before ingesting them I'd post a couple pictures and let someone else give me their opinion.

These are partially dried. If needed, I can go back tonight and find some fresh ones. They won't be mature like these were but, I can get them.

Are these Panaeolus subbalteatus?

Pic 2

Ok, I live in Tulsa, Oklahoma. That's NE Oklahoma for those not familiar. I found these in a rural area growing out of composting hay bales, in humid weather. When they were first picked the younger caps had a reddish-brown/cinnamon coloration an an almost cone like shape. The more matured ones had a nipple at the top, a lighter color of brown and the outer parts of the cap gradually got lighter in color. The mature caps were more rounded than coned.

The stems are long, stringy and hollow. While I was picking I noticed that some of the mushrooms that were growing had been bruised. They were of a bluish-black ink like color.

Anyway, before I eat these. Have I correctly identified Panaeolus subbalteatus?

Much appreciated.

-slug

Edited by nefarious slug (05/11/07 10:18 PM)

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Re: How to identify Psilocybe Species and Panaeolus. (Illus.)

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#6903367 - 05/11/07 08:57 PM (6 years, 14 days ago)

NO Your mushrooms are not Panaeolus subbalteatus

mj

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Re: How to identify Psilocybe Species and Panaeolus. (Illus.)

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#6903505 - 05/11/07 09:31 PM (6 years, 13 days ago)

Sadly no, they are not subbalteatus.
Dried mushrooms are hard to identify but the white stem is a dead giveaway.
Subbalteatus has a reddish stem and look a LOT different.
Check the vast amount of info on this website for additional help on ID'ing subbs.

...and read the forum rules so you can write out a correct ID request next time.

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Re: How to identify Psilocybe Species and Panaeolus. (Illus.)

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#6903524 - 05/11/07 09:34 PM (6 years, 13 days ago)

and i think its time to close this thread. '03... geez

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nefarious slug
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Re: How to identify Psilocybe Species and Panaeolus. (Illus.)

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#6903663 - 05/11/07 10:07 PM (6 years, 13 days ago)

Are they even active? Are they dangerous? Of what species are they? Or can you not tell at all? I know identifying dried mushrooms must be much more difficult. I have been looking for information and picture resources for a couple of days and have still not found any concrete information as to what these are. They seemed to fit the description of pan subbs. Growing out of decomposing hay stacks. If I take some pictures of freshly picked ones would it be easier to identify them?

Thank you much,

-slug

EDIT: I apologize for not reading the rules before posting. I will use the correct format in the future. I am going to take pictures of Fresh mushrooms and spore prints tonight. I will come back with that stuff tomorrow.

Edited by nefarious slug (05/11/07 10:09 PM)

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Re: How to identify Psilocybe Species and Panaeolus. (Illus.)

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#6903859 - 05/11/07 10:47 PM (6 years, 13 days ago)

Hi Slug, I like your name. :smile:

Your mushrooms might be Psathyrella or perhaps Bolbitius or something.... Fresh specimens and a spore print will help resolve the identity. Please make a new thread for your mushrooms when you get those images and info. We're gonna let this old thread sink.

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Re: How to identify Psilocybe Species and Panaeolus. (Illus.)

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#10170421 - 04/15/09 12:27 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

are EDIBLE PSYCHOACTIVE mushrooms the only ones that will turn blue and give a blue spore print? or are there poisonous mushrooms that can harm me that will give a blue spore print and turn blue from damage to the stalk or cap?

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Re: How to identify Psilocybe Species and Panaeolus. (Illus.)

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#10170753 - 04/15/09 01:33 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

This thread is almost 2 years old. :smirk:

I think that blue bruising and a purple spore print is what you ought to be looking for.

There are mushrooms that bruise blue that can make you very ill but they won't have a purple spore print.

There are Stropharia mushrooms that have a purple print that can make you ill as well but they won't bruise blue.

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Re: How to identify Psilocybe Species and Panaeolus. (Illus.)

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#10171031 - 04/15/09 02:12 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

DannyGlick said:
There are Stropharia mushrooms that have a purple print that can make you ill as well but they won't bruise blue.

Here is a stropharia that bruises blue sometimes and is often confused for a psilocybe.

http://www.mushroomexpert.com/stropharia_aeruginosa.html

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Re: How to identify Psilocybe Species and Panaeolus. (Illus.)

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#10171072 - 04/15/09 02:17 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Ah but does it bruise blue or is it just blue?

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Alan Rockefeller
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Re: How to identify Psilocybe Species and Panaeolus. (Illus.)

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#10171236 - 04/15/09 02:34 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

This thread has been closed.

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are EDIBLE PSYCHOACTIVE mushrooms the only ones that will turn blue and give a blue spore print?

Psychoactive mushrooms never have a blue spore print.

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or are there poisonous mushrooms that can harm me that will give a blue spore print and turn blue from damage to the stalk or cap?

There are many poisonous mushrooms which bruise blue when damaged.

The rule is that all mushrooms which have a black or dark purple brown spore print and bruise blue where damaged contain psilocybin.

Stropharia aeruginosa starts out blue and fades to tan, it doesn't get bluer in the places where it is damaged.

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