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#10094253 - 04/02/09 12:24 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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some look a lil pinkish? are they not?
so youll only have 2/21 with verm in them?
that verm will help out tremendously though. it will help that substrate colonize faster
although its taking away from overall amount of colonized substrate(which is debatable itself even), the fact that its creating little chasms of air and giving a little more structure will help colonization times. quicker colonization means better fruiting, and less chance of possible stall, or contamination.
not only that, they are little moisture reservoirs strewn throughout the substrate that the mycelium will love to stop by and have a drink from
obviously i havent scientifically tested any of this and is all speculation, but when you watch mycelium perform, it kinda speaks to you. and to me vermiculite seems a must in substrates
that's not what i meant. it was hard to explain. it would be like this:
Casing# - kow:coir ratio - %verm
1 - 0:6 - 0%
2 - 0:6 - 20%
3 - 0:6 - 40%
4 - 1:5 - 0%
5 - 1:5 - 20%
6 - 1:5 - 40%
7 - 2:4 - 0%
8 - 2:4 - 20%
9 - 2:4 - 40%
and so on for each ratio of kow/coir. so 1/3 will have no verm, 1/3 will have 20% verm, and 1/3 will have 40% verm.
as for the pinkishness (best word ever) it's just the lighting and/or the quality (or lack thereof) of this camera. they look fine in person
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Make sure you share your results :-D
absolutely, i'm looking forward to that almost as much as tripping off these guys. hopefully a trend will show up and i'll have some scientific evidence regarding the difference in potential between black kow and coir. Unfortunately black kow isn't that commonly used so i'll probably do this experiment with hpoo and coir and no verm next time when i have the money so i'll get some more useful results. hopefully after all the information this forum has given me, i'll be able to give something back.
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Re: Please double check me!!! [Re: Spongiform]
#10098080 - 04/02/09 09:52 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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LOOKS GROOVY
fuck that was hard to type
homegrow tobac FTW
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Re: Please double check me!!! [Re: just me]
#10098824 - 04/03/09 02:49 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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i shook up 5 of the bags that were the most progressed. they were at about 80-90% colonized but all had large areas without growth so i made sure to distribute the grain as well as i could so i should have each of these bags at 100% by saturday or sunday.
all the bags were prepared in sets of 2. for the first two, i didn't have any colonized jars yet so i duct taped the bags when i took them out of the PC. When i was ready for a g2g, i had some trouble getting the duct tape off and ripped the top of one of the bags quite a bit. this happened to be the bag with 7 quarts so there isn't enough air space in the bag to mix it up very well so most of the growth is at the top and it's going to take a while to colonize fully.
here's something interesting i noticed:
(it sorta looks like the left bag is contaminated, but that's just light reflecting off the condensation)
the bag on the left is from the 4th set of bags which was G2Ged on 3/31. the bag on the left is from the 5th set and was G2Ged the day after the other one. despite the appearance, the bag with more growth has had 24 hrs less to colonize. this pictures shows only 36hrs of growth, so i'm very pleased with these results.
again, i credit this to the way the grain was prepared. the method i used for the first 8 bags is the same as i've always used for jars, but i guess what's best for jars and what's best for bags is different. PCing without soaking or simmering seems to create a good water content without as much excess water and allows for quicker mycelium growth, or at least in my case this seems to be true. i have yet to see any sign of contamination which is quite encouraging.
tomorrow i'm going to head over to lowe's and get some supplies to make some more shelves and get started making all my casing trays. depending on how quickly the shaken bags colonize overnight, i may start pasteurizing my sub tomorrow night and spawn on saturday, or i might wait until saturday night to start pasteurizing and spawn on sunday.
I'm going to make a time lapse video of the shaken bags colonizing tonight and i'll post that up here. i've always thought time lapse videos were cool
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Re: Please double check me!!! [Re: AngryPhil]
#10099830 - 04/03/09 10:08 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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dont jump the gun.
it sucks having to repastuerize
those bags look great. the innoc points in that right bag look awesome. like lil white fireworks exploding in a sky of grain 
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Re: Please double check me!!! [Re: just me]
#10101126 - 04/03/09 03:00 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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yeah they sorta looked like little white flowers to me
the time lapse video didn't turn out as cool as i expected. i had it take a picture every 20 seconds and the video is 30fps but i should have made it take a picture every minute or longer. you can sorta see the myc in the BRF jars and the bag on the right thicken up a bit but not much. one thing that's pretty cool though is that you can see the bag on the left inflate which i assume is caused by the cellular respiration of the mycelium. to get a good time lapse, i'll need to take one over a longer period of time, but i use my laptop all day so while i'm sleeping is the only chance i really get.
it looks like it might not be until monday or tuesday that i spawn but i got all the supplies i'll need for my shelves and casing trays and three 5gal buckets for pasteurizing. i calculated that i'll need 3 50lb bags of black kow, 7 bricks of coir, and 5 8qt bags of verm for all my casings so i'll be getting all that in the next couple days.
also 50 filter patch bags came in the mail today from mycosupply so i'm going to get started on some more WBS pretty soon.
i'm really enjoying this whole process a lot. it's one thing to do a small grow and spend only a couple hours a week, but with a grow this big it becomes a full time job, especially in the beginning with all the research. I've been spending several hours a day researching this site trying to learn as much as i possibly can and i feel like i have a pretty strong grasp on everything. i just can't wait to wake up in the morning, walk into my bathroom, and get a strong whiff of that mushrooms smell i've come to love so much. and i'm pretty excited to move on to the next big step of this project in a couple days. the joy i get from going through this process is almost as rewarding as the shrooms themselves. i've tried to pick up several different hobbies over the years but i always get bored of them after a couple weeks, but mushroom cultivation has really stuck to me. i'm glad i have something to motivate me to get off my ass every day.
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Re: Please double check me!!! [Re: AngryPhil]
#10106389 - 04/04/09 04:59 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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so i prepared two more bags of WBS last night by putting 4qt of rinsed WBS in a bag with 2qt water. i forgot to check the time when i started to PC so i'm not sure how long i had them in there but i think it was about 2hrs. i took them out this morning for a G2g and they were both very slimey and had a lot of excess water. i G2Ged one bag but the other was so nasty that i didn't even bother. i figured this was just because i PCed too long but i prepared two more bags the same way today and and only PCed for 90 minutes just like the two i had before that turned out fine, but i just took them out of the PC and they look just as slimey as the two i prepared last night.
so to experiment, i got two more bags and only put 2qt rinsed WBS in each and put 3/4qt water in one bag and 1/2qt in the other and i'm PCing those right now. so instead of a 8:4 WBS/water ratio, i have a 8:3 and a 8:2 ratio. i expect the 8:2 one to be too dry but it won't be a big loss anyway
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Re: Please double check me!!! [Re: AngryPhil]
#10106616 - 04/04/09 05:48 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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you prep your grain by putting rinsed wbs in a filterpatch bag and then add 2qts of water?
then PC just like that?
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Re: Please double check me!!! [Re: just me]
#10106833 - 04/04/09 06:25 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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you prep your grain by putting rinsed wbs in a filterpatch bag and then add 2qts of water?
then PC just like that?
yeah, i soaked and simmered for the first 8 bags but then i saw a thread with a couple people saying you could just mix wbs and water and pc, and it worked great the first time i tried but after that, even with the exact same procedure, they turned out slimey.
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Re: Please double check me!!! [Re: AngryPhil]
#10106851 - 04/04/09 06:28 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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yeah i dont think ill ever try that
do you have link to that post?
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Re: Please double check me!!! [Re: just me]
#10106950 - 04/04/09 06:52 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10066877/fpart/1/vc/1
like i said above, the bag on the left was soaked and simmered and the one on the right was just PCed and is shown with only 36hrs of growth, which is 24hrs less than the one on the left. so in this case skipping the soak and simmer helped greatly, but for some reason this only worked well the first time i tried.
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Re: Please double check me!!! [Re: AngryPhil]
#10109597 - 04/05/09 08:56 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Problem is, after you simmer you need to rinse the oils off that come out during simmering or they will be slimey, so I think that's what happened.
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Re: Please double check me!!! [Re: Spongiform]
#10123413 - 04/07/09 12:48 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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yesterday was a sad day for this project. all the bags except for the 9th and 10th that i prepared without soaking or simmering and the two experimental bags i did the other day have either contaminated or stalled out. i'm assuming a big cause of this is the fact that i have so much WBS in each bag. i'm going to start halving the amount down to 2qt per bag. fortunately i have 11 fully colonized jars that i inspected closely for contams and they look ok. two other jars have stalled out. i've removed everything that is contaminated and/or stalled from my bathroom to prevent spreading of the contamination and sprayed everything down with lysol. i'm going to thoroughly wipe everything down with bleach in the next couple days.
this contamination has significantly set me back, so i decided to save this experiment for another time and just make 60/40 coir/verm bulk for each tray. i'm going get some coir and start pasteurizing my bulk today and use 3 of my WBS jars to spawn tomorrow.
yesterday i simmered 4qt of WBS for 20min and divided it into 2 bags and weighed each one, which came to about 2100g each. i then got 2qt rinsed WBS into a bag and weighed it. it came to about 1600g so i added water until it weighed the same as the simmered bags, which was about 2cups, so it should have the same WBS to water ratio as the simmered bags. i PCed them for 60 minutes and they're waiting in the PC right now and i'm going to G2G pretty soon.
I've been looking into casing layers and from what i found, there doesn't seem to be a significant amount of evidence showing that they help, so i think i'd be better using that half inch for a deeper bulk instead.
hopefully things will start looking up from here
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Re: Please double check me!!! [Re: AngryPhil]
#10128870 - 04/08/09 08:45 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you can provide a good climate (95%+) RH consistently then you don't need a casing layer. If you can't, then you do.
I don't have any experience with spawn bags yet, so I can't offer any real advice on that :/
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Re: Please double check me!!! [Re: Spongiform]
#10154892 - 04/12/09 09:03 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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i've decided to move away from bags because i'm not getting any luck with them whatsoever. i'm going to use jars primarily since they've always worked great for me and rarely contam, but i'll keep experimenting with bags until i get some success.
since my last post, i've made 3 trays using the following mixes:
tray 1
2gal coir
3qt verm
1qt coffee
3 jars (about 2.25 qt) WBS
trays 2&3
2gal coir
2qt verm
1qt coffee
2qt kow
2 jars (about 1.5qt) WBS
tray 1 was made first on wednesday and i peeked in on it this morning, 4 days after spawning, and it looks a little more than half way done and smells of fresh mushrooms and as far as i can tell is free of contamination. i expect it to be done by wednesday so i'm going to leave it alone until then.
i spawned trays 2&3 on thursday so i'll wait until this thursday to check on them.
i made 4 LCs and i'm going to inoculate 2 of them with B+ spores and the other two with a single grain of colonized WBS. the WBS is golden teacher by the way. i don't think i've mentioned that yet.
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