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 Icelander
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 Re: The Jesus Christ delusion... [Re: deCypher]
#9923477 - 03/06/09 02:01 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Icelander said:
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Who here has experienced it, and why does it manifest in so many schizophrenics? Is it a failed attempt to transcend to Christ consciousness, or simply an organic disorder in the brain? I've experienced this myself on the peak of some very heavy trips, but I'm still baffled as to the significance... sometimes I think it would be ironic if the Second Coming had already happened and the unfortunate Jesus is currently locked away in an insane asylum.
http://www.schizophrenia.com:8080/jiveforums/forum.jspa?forumID=16&start=0 has some pretty interesting reading on the topic of such schizophrenic delusions and false beliefs of grandeur.
funny . Anyway I think Jesus is just a result of cultural programming. I myself see Santa.
Years and years of ancestors talking about one man will do that.
Where are my presents fatty
Your lump of coal is on it's way. You've been a really bad boy.
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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 MarkostheGnostic
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Re: The Jesus Christ delusion... [Re: Silversoul]
#9973595 - 03/14/09 09:42 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ram Dass once talked of visiting a schizophrenic in the mental hospital who believed he was Jesus Christ. He said that many of the schizophrenic's words seemed rather wise. He then commented to the schizo, "I think I might be Christ too." The schizo then angrily scolded him, saying he and he alone is Christ. Ram Dass responded that he thought that was why was locked up in there.
Yes, that was Ram Dass' brother-in-law. I have heard a former student-counselee spouting delusions of "making love with God's second wife," which I didn't understand until I learned a bit about his Mormon beliefs. God has celestial wives, and only God has relations with God's wives, so my counselee was claiming identity with God. This delusion has an archetypal basis in Jungian theory.
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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Sauton - Know Thyself
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MarkostheGnostic
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Re: The Jesus Christ delusion... [Re: deCypher]
#9973653 - 03/14/09 09:54 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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deCypher said:
Who here has experienced it, and why does it manifest in so many schizophrenics? Is it a failed attempt to transcend to Christ consciousness, or simply an organic disorder in the brain? I've experienced this myself on the peak of some very heavy trips, but I'm still baffled as to the significance... sometimes I think it would be ironic if the Second Coming had already happened and the unfortunate Jesus is currently locked away in an insane asylum.Quote:
 If you're interested, read this classic book about three psychotic individuals in the hospital in Ypsilanti, Michigan with paranoid delusions of grandeur, i.e., Christ delusions, all put together in a room. In no time at all there are one-upmanship claims to being the Father and the Holy Ghost as well. Ego-inflation reaches its outward limit with identification with God. Everything is meaningful, symbolic or prophetic. Read accounts of Charles Manson's delusions in Helter Skelter or Susan Atkin's book (if you can find it) Child of Satan, Child of God.
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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Sauton - Know Thyself
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deCypher
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Excellent, thanks for the book recs; I definitely plan on checking 'em out. 
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BlueCoyote
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Re: The Jesus Christ delusion... [Re: deCypher]
#9981742 - 03/16/09 12:19 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hehe, been there too. But fast decided to choose the role of John the baptist, disciple, evangelist, and writer of the apocalypse 
It was pleasureful to see the pigeon of the holy spirit settle down on Jesus (who I also did meet) again and hair to grow out of my leather jacket.
And it was a pleasure to have discussions with satan (who also was there with his 'boys').
I gave some 'offerings' to the great being to buy some more little time for human kind. Maybe it outlasts my being here and maybe there will be found someone after me to do the same 
But when one 'regrets' and 'turns over', the earth can still be saved.
Edited by BlueCoyote (03/16/09 12:27 PM)
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weiliiiiiii
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Re: The Jesus Christ delusion... [Re: BlueCoyote]
#9982363 - 03/16/09 01:53 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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ive had several experiences where i have talked with angels/holy spirit/jesus while tripping but i have always walked away humbled like a mofo and with so much love in my heart, not thinking i could heal people but walking away from those trips healed spiritually myself.
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Quetzalcohuatl
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Re: The Jesus Christ delusion... [Re: Hubbub]
#9985894 - 03/16/09 09:45 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I talk to Jesus on mescaline the kingdom of heaven is within you and so is hell on earth but even though I am probably schizo I know I'm not Jesus or God because I can't do any miracles like find a bag of weed or some mushrooms or peyote in the desert cuz if I was God I'd surely be able to score some good drugs and I tried I once tried to call down marijuana from heaven but it didn't work so I suck.
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jvm
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Quetzalcohuatl said:
I talk to Jesus on mescaline the kingdom of heaven is within you and so is hell on earth but even though I am probably schizo I know I'm not Jesus or God because I can't do any miracles like find a bag of weed or some mushrooms or peyote in the desert cuz if I was God I'd surely be able to score some good drugs and I tried I once tried to call down marijuana from heaven but it didn't work so I suck.
haha, then you should know that's not how it works.
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Re: The Jesus Christ delusion... [Re: jvm]
#9988311 - 03/17/09 11:34 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Haven't we all given asking god a try? At least once?
Who knew that talking to oneself could be such a popular hobby. Oh wait what is thought again?
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Saidin
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Re: The Jesus Christ delusion... [Re: deCypher]
#9996540 - 03/18/09 04:21 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have had an experience similar to this but a little different.
Mine came from taking 200mg THH, 100mg Harmine, and then smoking 45mg of DMT. I had smoked DMT 60+ times before this, and though had a few expreiences where I felt my consciousness was expanded, nothing as profound as the expreience I will relate.
As soon as I pulled the smoke into my lungs, my 15 year old cat threw herself in my lap and immeadiately lay down in an awkward position (this is highly unusual as it normally takes her minutes to get settled due to her age).
After my cat jumped in my lap, I closed my eyes and began to be surrounded by these orangish brown bricks of fur (my cat is black and orange), they were piling up all around me, seemed a little unnerving but nothing too bad. At this point I noticed a light source from above me, it seemed warm and comforting, and as I looked up, thats when I saw it, gazed upon it and realzied what it was. This is essentially what I saw:
http://spectraleyes.com/gallery/artworx/vajrasong
I was fully conscious of myself, and could think/rationalize and be amazed at what I was seeing. When I opened my eyes, I felt compassion, love, forgiveness for everyone. At one point I thought that I was Jesus, but that thought quickly passed as I intuited instead that I was touching the universal source of beingness where love and wisdom come from. When I closed my eyes, the vision was still there, clear as day. This lasted for about 30 minutes. Eyes open, unconditional love and forgiveness, eyes closed, that vision of the Vajrasattva. I could easily touch that feeling of unconditional love and forgiveness if I concentrated on it for 2-3 days after the experience. I can still feel it a bit to this day, now 4 months later.
The Vajrasattva (from my understanding of the research I did subsequent to this experience) is also known as the Primordial Buddha. That higher self that is without flaw, that which is perfect. It did not talk to me, I did not ask it questions, it was just a state of perfect being that had a profound effect upon me. A nudge to continue searching for answers to the questions I had long ago put aside and forgotten.
Interestingly enough, after the expreience I found a Thanka that I had bought in Nepal 3 years earlier and had never looked at since. It was of Vajrasattva.
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What, you ask, was the beginning of it all? And it is this...
Existence that multiplied itself
For sheer delight of being
And plunged into numberless trillions of forms
So that it might
Find
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-Sri Aubobindo
Edited by Saidin (03/18/09 04:52 PM)
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aiyobro
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Re: The Jesus Christ delusion... [Re: daytripper23]
#10017080 - 03/21/09 09:35 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I am that I am
(been there done that)
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Gretchenmeister
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Re: The Jesus Christ delusion... [Re: MEEZIE]
#10018627 - 03/22/09 06:58 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thats so great! Me too...turning water into wine and schwag into kind!
Jesus is a great spirit helper.
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jvm
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When i eat mushrooms i turn water into yellow wine 
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Mycomyth
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Re: The Jesus Christ delusion... [Re: deCypher]
#10019197 - 03/22/09 10:27 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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deCypher said:
I've experienced this myself on the peak of some very heavy trips, Quote:
I've noticed that all the psychadelics I've partaken in have that ability to pull back the veil, whether or not we are ready for it.
FWiW,
M
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