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Natural Solutions to Anxiety
    #8390459 - 05/11/08 07:57 PM (6 months, 7 days ago)

Welp, I have abnormally high levels of anxiety. Always have, probably always will. My mom shares my condition (probably where I got it) and is on some kind of medication for it.

It was always present, but never a problem, and never caused any physical symptoms - until now. Freshman year (of college) I started smoking weed, and while I was still anxious, it never bothered me since I could just get a "little bit" high, and function fine. [**yes, i would often take one small hit off of a bowl, just to calm my nerves**]

Well, now i've quit smoking for an internship in DC this summer (leave saturday) and my anxiety is causing phsyical complications. It's nothing super-serious, just very minor panic attacks. They're brought on by (you guessed it!) excessive worrying about the possibility of panic attacks.

I went to my doctor last week and he prescribed me Lamictal - which is a patented medication used primarily for people with Bi-polar disorder or Epilepsy (sp?). It's also used for people mood disorders whose medicine had failed to work in the past. He talked to me for a grand total of 3min and had me fill out a 10 question yes/no questionaire before he decided what to put me on. Now - I think this 'script is a bit heavy for my minor anxiety, and I've made the personal choice not to take it.

I am posting here to see if any of you all have any natural was of dealing with anxiety. I would like to postpone going on a life-long medication regiment for as long as possible, since I'm not a big fan of just taking pills to deal with my issues. If it comes down to it, and this becomes a hinderence to my performance in school or work - then I'll go to a psychiartist and take what they prescribe me (the doctor who prescribed Lamictal is just a family doctor, not a specialist).

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Re: Natural Solutions to Anxiety [Re: meams]
    #8390488 - 05/11/08 08:04 PM (6 months, 7 days ago)

Mushrooms can help some people work through an anxiety disorder brought on by weed, although it sounds like you've had anxiety for most of your life and is probably genetic. Dunno, really. Valerian root and St. John's Wort are pretty good for anxiety issues... I'd definitely stay away from benzos and the like as their addiction potential is sky-high and they're not too healthy for ya anyways.


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Re: Natural Solutions to Anxiety [Re: deCypher]
    #8390522 - 05/11/08 08:11 PM (6 months, 7 days ago)

I have a history with mushrooms (hence, my involvement with this site). Half my trips were bad, brought on by uncontrollable thoughts exploring all the terrible ways things can go wrong.

I don't see any potential in their use for my problem.

I'm debating going to see a psychiatrist just to explain everything to them, and see what the think. Complications are that I don't have much time - I leave for DC on saturday and won't be back until August. I need a solution, and i need it NOW. :smile:


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Re: Natural Solutions to Anxiety [Re: meams]
    #8390906 - 05/11/08 10:14 PM (6 months, 7 days ago)

Well, I successfully conquered panic attacks brought on by weed with mushrooms: the trick was to just face my fear and accept that I could have a panic attack--this paradoxically caused me to stop obsessing about and I haven't had one since. Since it seems your anxiety's genetic, though, that's probably not a valid option.

Give St. John's wort and Valerian root a try... Kava Kava is also a very nice natural drug that helps a great deal with anxiety. A psychiatrist is probably going to want to put you on, as you say, a life-long regimen of benzos or some other harmful pharmaceuticals that you don't want. If he thinks he can stop your anxiety with cognitive behavioral therapy, then you're better off attempting self-therapy with psychedelics then by pouring months of time and thousands of dollars of money into a shrink IMO.


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Re: Natural Solutions to Anxiety [Re: meams]
    #8391028 - 05/11/08 11:04 PM (6 months, 7 days ago)

dude, I'd probably be freaking out if I got an internship in DC

my advice is just simple stuff that you probably already do - breath deep and focus on the moment, clear your thoughts and say, "I'm happy to be alive now", drink some water


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Re: Natural Solutions to Anxiety [Re: Compass]
    #8391071 - 05/11/08 11:18 PM (6 months, 7 days ago)

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dude, I'd probably be freaking out if I got an internship in DC

my advice is just simple stuff that you probably already do - breath deep and focus on the moment, clear your thoughts and say, "I'm happy to be alive now", drink some water



Yeah - i certainly have reasons to be freaking out:

My internship starts a week from today (next monday). Then on June 6th the program officially starts (I'm coming to DC to start work early, as per request of my internship site). Once the program starts (The Fund for American Studies), I'll be moving onto the Georgetown campus, and starting 3 classes to compliment my Internship - as well as a slew of extra "Fund" activities and seminars, meetings and such.

Usually these types of things wouldn't cause me to freak out to this extent - i work very well under pressure and am quite confident i will excell in DC: I've never not excelled (sounds conceited but is true).

I'm definitely going to be trying those natural suggestions mentioned above [forgot who posted them, but thank you :smile:]. Hopefully they'll do the trick. I'm REALLY trying to avoid going on pills. If anything I'll pursue a job in cali so i can get a MM card and go back to self-medicating with my lovely mary jane. That's kind of a fantasy - I'm not sure if anxiety/panic attacks are grounds to secure a MM card in cali. If they are - then I'd definitely pursue a career out on the west coast. My resume is strong and I'm confident I could find a good employer out there.

Thanks again for the already-mentioned suggestions, and feel free to add more if anyone thinks of additional ones. I'll be acquiring some roots'n'shit tomorrow :-D


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Re: Natural Solutions to Anxiety [Re: meams]
    #8391564 - 05/12/08 02:55 AM (6 months, 7 days ago)

What do you mean by getting anxiety from your mom? It is not a virus, so it doesn't work that way.
Maybe you meant to say that, by living with her and being raised by her, you copied her behavior and her worries. This makes sense and in this case, the reason why you can't figure out what's causing you all this anxiety is because it was imprinted to you ever since you were a kid, and you just borrowed that way of being just like all the children borrow so much from their parents behavior.
I am afraid there is not a "easy" way out of this situation, such as taking pills or even smoking marijuana for medical purposes, and that the only real way of solving you situation, in my experience, is reasoning your way out. This requires lots of lucidity & introspection & patience. You need to analyze your mother's behavior as well, and how it affected your development, you need to start thinking how rational your fears are, how they manifest, and what you can do to produce a consistent and constructive change in the way you make your decisions and how you decide to feel about life.


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Re: Natural Solutions to Anxiety [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #8391636 - 05/12/08 03:54 AM (6 months, 7 days ago)

Anxiety disorders (especially panic oriented anxiety) have a large basis in genetics, though I'm sure upbringing played a very significant role as well.


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Re: Natural Solutions to Anxiety [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #8391835 - 05/12/08 08:00 AM (6 months, 7 days ago)

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What do you mean by getting anxiety from your mom? It is not a virus, so it doesn't work that way.
Maybe you meant to say that, by living with her and being raised by her, you copied her behavior and her worries. This makes sense and in this case, the reason why you can't figure out what's causing you all this anxiety is because it was imprinted to you ever since you were a kid, and you just borrowed that way of being just like all the children borrow so much from their parents behavior.
I am afraid there is not a "easy" way out of this situation, such as taking pills or even smoking marijuana for medical purposes, and that the only real way of solving you situation, in my experience, is reasoning your way out. This requires lots of lucidity & introspection & patience. You need to analyze your mother's behavior as well, and how it affected your development, you need to start thinking how rational your fears are, how they manifest, and what you can do to produce a consistent and constructive change in the way you make your decisions and how you decide to feel about life.




See Cameron's post. It's not something I just "picked up" by watching her. She was always at work anyways - a workaholic type (which no doubt contributed to her anxiety). My dad had his own company he operated out of the house - if there was any behavior to be mimiced, it would be his. He (contrary to my mom) is extremely laid back and anxiety-free.

What I have is genetic, "just like the color of your hair" (quoted from the family Dr I saw). So lucidity & introspect may work, but only to an extent.


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Re: Natural Solutions to Anxiety [Re: Cameron]
    #8391870 - 05/12/08 08:16 AM (6 months, 7 days ago)

This article doesn't prove that anxiety is genetically transmitted.
First of all, the study was done on ADULT twins, which means that they had enough time in their entire childhood to copy the behavior of the parent that had anxiety.
Saying that anxiety depends solely on the DNA our parents transmitted us is denying the existence of change and evolution, and I think there's enough prove to sustain that change happens, and that people are indeed able to get over their anxieties if their intention is to do so. This, of course, necessitates an in depth understanding on the situation, what's causing anxiety to exist and how we respond to it.
People learn new skills by watching others and then trying it themselves. In early childhood the children's relations are formative, meaning that they are ready to absorb everything that they see happening around them. The closest persons to them in that stage are usually their parents, from them they learn to talk (and this is happening by the process of copying). Now tell me, why shouldn't it be the same when it comes to anxiety? :strokebeard:
Personality is a learned behavior for the most part, so even if the DNA might have some influence on the existence of anxiety, it can't truly be compared to what being raised by a person that manifests their anxiety on regular basis means.
Ridding anxiety is as simple as learning new and constructive skills that are to be replaced with old behavioral patterns that are harmful to the individual. The process of replacing the old with the new also implies the understanding of how harmful those old habits were and how they influencing their life in a non-constructive way.
Telling someone (especially someone in the situation that the OP is in) that the reason why he has anxiety problems is because of the DNA, is, besides totally flawed, also very dangerous to his process of healing. :nono:


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Re: Natural Solutions to Anxiety [Re: meams]
    #8391891 - 05/12/08 08:25 AM (6 months, 7 days ago)

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See Cameron's post. It's not something I just "picked up" by watching her. She was always at work anyways - a workaholic type (which no doubt contributed to her anxiety). My dad had his own company he operated out of the house - if there was any behavior to be mimiced, it would be his. He (contrary to my mom) is extremely laid back and anxiety-free.

What I have is genetic, "just like the color of your hair" (quoted from the family Dr I saw). So lucidity & introspect may work, but only to an extent.




I am sorry that you choose to think there's not much you can do regarding your issue. In my opinion this is a cop out, because you might feel scared of what you're about to face.
You don't need to spend hours in a row with somebody in order to copy their behavior, read my post above regarding that. Children, especially in their early years, NEED to absorb as much information as possible, and they don't possess the awareness of filtering what's constructive for their development. If you choose to shut yourself from finding out what exactly happened and how you were influenced by your mother's behavior, then it's your choice and nobody can stop you from doing that. But please stop from spreading wrong information regarding DNA and it's "terrible" influences on anxiety.
Also, not directly related to your issue, but still interesting to watch is this:


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Re: Natural Solutions to Anxiety [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #8391892 - 05/12/08 08:26 AM (6 months, 7 days ago)

Nice.

The difficult part will be analyzing what started it. I've always had it - and it has always effected my life in some way.

Example: in school (as far back as 3rd/4th/5th grade) I would opt out of field trips because of the off-chance that I would have to take a dump en-route. Sounds retarded, but at that age taking shits was socially unacceptable and led to ridicule. Now, there would be no reason for me to have to go to the bathroom, but the presence of the situation that might lead to an undesirable cirumstance would be enough to cause my stomach to tie up in knots & leave me unable/unwilling to get on the field trip bus.

Obviously as I got older and kids stopped being dumb and realized everybody poops - the problem dispersed. However, it's still partially engrained to this day. I have odd public-shitting habits as a result of it. I have since gained control over my bowels, and plan meals in advance depending on my travel plans. Sounds retarded, but just another thing I over-analyze.

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Hrm. Going back in my mind to think of all the causes of my anxiety is going to be (as you said) a very timely and taxing process. However, I'm not unwilling to try - since I want to overcome this garbage without going on meds.

It was just soooooo easy when I could get a "little bit high" and relax. Contrasted with the time & effort I'm about to put into this problem, it seems so undesirable.

However, I gotta do what I gotta do.


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Re: Natural Solutions to Anxiety [Re: meams]
    #8391898 - 05/12/08 08:29 AM (6 months, 7 days ago)

Also - you must understand where I'm coming from in regards to my thoughts on DNA & genetic transmission.

I've had this my whole life, meaning it's not purely circumstancial, and a medical doctor told me it's genetic. So (while I am open to ALL advice) you understand why I'm not going to abandon these things Ive been told simply because one friend on a mushroom board told me I can analyze my anxiety away.

However, I am going to try - and definitely do appreciate your input (please continue to give it). All help is help, regardless of the form it takes.


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Re: Natural Solutions to Anxiety [Re: meams]
    #8391902 - 05/12/08 08:30 AM (6 months, 7 days ago)

I don't consider this to be retarded, these matters or similar ones are very bothering for many kids. Knowing that you're not the only kid that had similar fears might help you realize that you don't need a special treatment.
I don't think there's anything wrong with over-analyzing either, it is what will eventually make you see what needs to be changed and how. What's important is to stop feeling like a freak because of all those past issues, and simply accept them as facts. You and not what happened to you in the past, and you are not you fears. Also, you are the only one to choose how you will be from now on. :yesnod:


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Re: Natural Solutions to Anxiety [Re: meams]
    #8392073 - 05/12/08 10:04 AM (6 months, 7 days ago)

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I've had this my whole life, meaning it's not purely circumstancial, and a medical doctor told me it's genetic. So (while I am open to ALL advice) you understand why I'm not going to abandon these things Ive been told simply because one friend on a mushroom board told me I can analyze my anxiety away.




I am in no way trying to make you stop listening to any advice you want, but what I can do is to point out that there are many flaws in the ways psychiatrists view matters like these. Something to think about is the fact that in most of the cases, the cure they have to offer are some pills, which in no way help one to actually heal, but put them in a dazed state where they can forget about their problems, and that, in the moment they stop their medication their problem reoccurs, sometimes even worse than in was before. The fact that he is a "medical doctor" doesn't present any guarantee for the truthfulness and accuracy of their advice. In fact, any advice you ever receive, including mine, it is good to take with a grain of salt.
What makes you think that someone else can know better than you what's wrong with you? Doesn't it seem awkward to you to put more confidence in someone else's thoughts than your own?
Personally, I have serious questions regarding how medicating myself would help improve my mental state, since my emotions are directly and entirely influenced by the way I choose to feel about a certain situation. Of course, in some situations it is more difficult to shift my mood than in others, but this is simply because some situations require more practice than the others, for the reasons I have stated in my previous posts. When we are dealing with a learned behavior, especially one that's been developing since the first years of one's life, the programming is deeper and more complex than a behavior that's been detrimental to one from let's say just a year. If your mind has been programmed, it also means that it can be re-programmed, this time in a manner that serves your best interests and helps you enjoy life to it's fullest.
Just try it, I don't see what you have to lose. :shrug:


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Re: Natural Solutions to Anxiety [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #8392217 - 05/12/08 10:50 AM (6 months, 7 days ago)

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Just try it, I don't see what you have to lose. :shrug:



I'll definitely be trying it, as (like you said) I have nothing to lose.

However, I am going to have to use it in conjunction with other methods (probably some of the herbal ones mentioned above). The main complicating variable here is time - since I don't have the necessary supply of it in order to tackle this before I leave for DC in 5 days.


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Re: Natural Solutions to Anxiety [Re: meams]
    #8393719 - 05/12/08 06:19 PM (6 months, 6 days ago)

meams I forwarded a list of natural anti-anxiety herbs and treatments that I got from another user on the board.


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    #8394341 - 05/12/08 08:42 PM (6 months, 6 days ago)

jack johnson and a bubble bath. as gay as that might sound.


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    #8396135 - 05/13/08 10:32 AM (6 months, 6 days ago)

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    #8396332 - 05/13/08 11:30 AM (6 months, 6 days ago)

How is that a natural solution? :confused:


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