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 Availability is the #1 cause of addiction and use.
#8385793 - 05/10/08 03:25 PM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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I thought it as pretty interesting that the number one determinant of initial drug use, prolonged drug use, and relapse is availability. It's actually in my textbook. It seems like common sense, but then if you think about the war on drugs, their intentions might not to win the war against drugs. They may just want to lower the availability enough to have fewer addicts.
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Re: Availability is the #1 cause of addiction and use. [Re: accountant]
#8385806 - 05/10/08 03:28 PM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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How many people get addicted to psyches?
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Re: Availability is the #1 cause of addiction and use. [Re: accountant]
#8385808 - 05/10/08 03:28 PM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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Yeah, If it wasn't around me, I could finally quit.
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Re: Availability is the #1 cause of addiction and use. [Re: DuNeRaVeR]
#8385818 - 05/10/08 03:31 PM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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Who is more likely to use, someone with it available to them or someone who has to seek it out?
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Re: Availability is the #1 cause of addiction and use. [Re: DuNeRaVeR]
#8385821 - 05/10/08 03:32 PM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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Quote:
DuNeRaVeR said:
How many people get addicted to psyches?
i know some with a mild addiction to pot, without it every day they get  havent seen any addiciton of the other psyches. psychedelics ftw 
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Re: Availability is the #1 cause of addiction and use. [Re: nalyudi]
#8385827 - 05/10/08 03:34 PM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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false argument since pretty much everything can be used to intoxicate.
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Re: Availability is the #1 cause of addiction and use. [Re: John Smith]
#8385833 - 05/10/08 03:36 PM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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??? im not arguing anything.
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Re: Availability is the #1 cause of addiction and use. [Re: accountant]
#8385841 - 05/10/08 03:38 PM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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accountant said:
Who is more likely to use, someone with it available to them or someone who has to seek it out?
But limited availability can also worsen addiction.
For example, if you are a heroin addict, you might score compulsively, because of the "omfg where's my next hit going to come from" attitude. You score and use whenever you find it, because you think you may not find it again for a while. The limited supply actually worsens the addiction, because of how the user sees the drug and scoring.
In countries where heroin addiction is treated as a health problem and not a crime, where heroin is supplied to addicts, the addicts have a much easier time quitting because they know that their supply is steady and don't have to fear being cut off or running out or not being able to score.
If you look, in countries such as Switzerland, where heroin is freely available to addicts from the government, rates of addiction actually drop.
So the "availability limits use/addiction" theory, while intuitively it makes sense, doesn't actually pan out in real life.
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TheHappieHippies said:
Here's a confession for you guys... I used to be a huge slut. Like BIG time. I allowed my body to be used by so many different men, that I probably couldn't give you an accurate estimate below 150 people.
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Re: Availability is the #1 cause of addiction and use. [Re: nalyudi]
#8385842 - 05/10/08 03:38 PM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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thats y the drug war doesnt work
i can get meth, acid, yayo, mushrooms
all the illegal drugs
but i cant find xanax, oxy, ketamine
the stuff thats regulated is harder to find thus harder to get addicted to
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Re: Availability is the #1 cause of addiction and use. [Re: nalyudi]
#8385849 - 05/10/08 03:40 PM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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I agree with the post title. This is how it is for me. If it's there, I'll do it. If it isn't, I'm less likely to seek it out.
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Re: Availability is the #1 cause of addiction and use. [Re: DragonChaser]
#8385894 - 05/10/08 03:52 PM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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Singapore has the highest success rate for addicts not reusing. Their policy is you get caught once you are sent to a military camp for one year and monitored for 6 years. Caught again, it's back to camp for one year. The third time you are executed.
Another example, Vietnam Veterans who developed heroin addictions and came home with them... 80% of them never used again because of availability.
If we define successful treatment as not using again, then it doesn't matter if your psychological symptoms increase because you can't use it.
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Re: Availability is the #1 cause of addiction and use. [Re: accountant]
#8385902 - 05/10/08 03:54 PM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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can u drink liquor in SP?
or get intoxicated any way
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Re: Availability is the #1 cause of addiction and use. [Re: accountant]
#8385931 - 05/10/08 04:03 PM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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Quote:
accountant said:
Singapore has the highest success rate for addicts not reusing. Their policy is you get caught once you are sent to a military camp for one year and monitored for 6 years. Caught again, it's back to camp for one year. The third time you are executed.
Another example, Vietnam Veterans who developed heroin addictions and came home with them... 80% of them never used again because of availability.
If we define successful treatment as not using again, then it doesn't matter if your psychological symptoms increase because you can't use it.
I hope you're not praising Singapore's methods. Thats barbaric.
Why would you define successful treatment as not using again, even if psychological symptoms increase? Isn't it more important to cure addictions so that a user doesn't WANT to use, rather than wanting to and not being able to because of restriction of supply?
When soldiers were coming back from vietnam, heroin wasn't widely available in the US and in most places, the purity was shit 4-10%, while today a large portion is over 90% pure, and widely available in any big city.
Because of the drug war, drugs like heroin, meth, cocaine are all highly available in the US. Its capitalism. Drugs which are legal, like xanax and fentanyl are harder to obtain, because theres less incentive and profit margin in the black market for them. Since drugs like coke, heroin, and meth are black market and thus have huge profit margins for cartels/dealers/smugglers, they will always be present.
Of course, if something is completely unavailable, you can't use it. If something is available in limited quantities, addictions are going to be very bad. If something is freely available like heroin in Switzerland for addicts, rates of addiction will drop.
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TheHappieHippies said:
Here's a confession for you guys... I used to be a huge slut. Like BIG time. I allowed my body to be used by so many different men, that I probably couldn't give you an accurate estimate below 150 people.
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Re: Availability is the #1 cause of addiction and use. [Re: accountant]
#8385937 - 05/10/08 04:06 PM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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Makes sense. I don't have good weed available to me/money. Thus, I'm not addicted to it like I would like to be.
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Re: Availability is the #1 cause of addiction and use. [Re: DragonChaser]
#8386167 - 05/10/08 05:10 PM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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I'm only trying to understand and discuss it as empirically defensible as possible. The research is suggesting that all treatment methods fail in inhibiting relapse. There is no cure for episodic physiological responses. So for the remainder of an addicts life certain triggers will cause the body to prepare for usage.
There is no cure for making addicts happy and not wanting to use again. So the closest you can come to curing the psychological aspects of addiction is through continual maintenance because there is no permanent cure.
It's a physiological/physical addiction most addicts have (it can be replicated in animals) and an animal/human can never forget (episodic memory) the positive/negative reinforcement they once had with the drug.
The physical addiction is what needs to be cured because it is stronger than the psychological addiction. Most addicts are not happy psychologically even when using.
THE POINT: Keeping drugs out of an addicts body is the best treatment there is. Decreasing availability is the most successful in achieving this.
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Re: Availability is the #1 cause of addiction and use. [Re: Coaster]
#8386173 - 05/10/08 05:11 PM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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I don't know.
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Re: Availability is the #1 cause of addiction and use. [Re: accountant]
#8386186 - 05/10/08 05:14 PM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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Weed, opium, ketamine are available in Singapore.
Thailand executes drug dealers and traffickers, yet drugs are available in Thailand.
Eliminating supply when there is demand and a fortune to make, doesn't work, period.
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The thesis that I want to advance today is that the drug war and the laws that prohibit the private consumption of certain drugs are unconstitutional. Prohibition laws, themselves, violate every tenet of limited government that is embodied in our Constitution.
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Re: Availability is the #1 cause of addiction and use. [Re: Chemy]
#8386193 - 05/10/08 05:18 PM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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I agree with you guys to an extent. I'm just trying to state that decreasing availability lowers use more than anything else. We can't eliminate availability; you are right.
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Re: Availability is the #1 cause of addiction and use. [Re: accountant]
#8386212 - 05/10/08 05:23 PM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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While decreasing availability might prevent some addicts from using, it would cause a whole hell of a lot more harm in the long run.
There would be more addicts willing to rob and kill to get fixes. The people controlling the trade would become more ruthless as the supply of their product shrunk but demand remained high. Their product would be worth more, and the level of drug related violence would increase.
Prohibition never works.
Edit- sorry didn't see your last post.
You're probably right, decreased availability would have to cut usage. But I think we can find other ways to help addicts not to use, the studies with LSD on alcoholics in the days after WW2 were incredibly promising. Fix societal problems that make hardcore drugs popular. Reduce the misery of the people. Miserable, poor people who are oppressed are much more likely to turn to crack, heroin or meth than are well adjusted, well off, happy people. Making them not want the drugs, instead of just yanking the drugs away from them I think is much better in the long run.
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TheHappieHippies said:
Here's a confession for you guys... I used to be a huge slut. Like BIG time. I allowed my body to be used by so many different men, that I probably couldn't give you an accurate estimate below 150 people.
Edited by DragonChaser (05/10/08 05:26 PM)
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Re: Availability is the #1 cause of addiction and use. [Re: accountant]
#8386241 - 05/10/08 05:29 PM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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I would like to add a couple more things.
Education is the #1 tool in preventing drug use. I also think that DARE curriculum should be taught by former addicts so the truth will be told and not "untruths" which in turn will lend credibilty and truth to the DARE program therefore making it successful and not an epic failure.
I also am sure that sexual battery is the #1 cause of drug addiction, I've been in too many drug programs and in every confidential group meeting, almost every addict says they were molested as a child and this shame and hurt and pain is what causes most "hard drug" drug addiction, #2 would be physical abuse during childhood.
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“Useless laws weaken the necessary laws.”
-Montesquieu, 1748
The thesis that I want to advance today is that the drug war and the laws that prohibit the private consumption of certain drugs are unconstitutional. Prohibition laws, themselves, violate every tenet of limited government that is embodied in our Constitution.
http://www.paulhager.org/libertarian/drug_con.html
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