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 Mandrake
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 Who says being drunk can't be spiritual, I beg to differ. I feel very in tune.
#8427391 - 05/21/08 04:46 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Anyone agree/disagree?
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 DimensionX
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Re: Who says being drunk can't be spiritual, I beg to differ. I feel very in tune. [Re: Mandrake]
#8427419 - 05/21/08 05:06 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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The Romans used to have a saying:
"In wine there is truth"
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Re: Who says being drunk can't be spiritual, I beg to differ. I feel very in tune. [Re: Mandrake]
#8427424 - 05/21/08 05:11 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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i disagree.
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Re: Who says being drunk can't be spiritual, I beg to differ. I feel very in tune. [Re: DimensionX]
#8427427 - 05/21/08 05:12 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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In Vino Veritas
I disagree with the statement that alcohol is capable of producing any insight or spiritual connection.
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The thesis that I want to advance today is that the drug war and the laws that prohibit the private consumption of certain drugs are unconstitutional. Prohibition laws, themselves, violate every tenet of limited government that is embodied in our Constitution.
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Mandrake
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 Re: Who says being drunk can't be spiritual, I beg to differ. I feel very in tune. [Re: DimensionX]
#8427432 - 05/21/08 05:13 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Quote:
DimensionX said:
The Romans used to have a saying:
"In wine there is truth"
I agree.
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Re: Who says being drunk can't be spiritual, I beg to differ. I feel very in tune. [Re: Mandrake]
#8427443 - 05/21/08 05:21 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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it usually exaggerates what I'm feeling, nothing majorly spiritual though.
i find it improves my literal fluency, but obviously not my typing accuracy.
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DimensionX
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Re: Who says being drunk can't be spiritual, I beg to differ. I feel very in tune. [Re: Mandrake]
#8427448 - 05/21/08 05:22 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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It can make you feel very centered and at peace with yourself. I like that Roman saying, it can be thought of as meaning people speak more honestly when they are drunk, but i also like to think that it means that when all inhibitions are removed the truth of human nature is revealed.
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Mandrake
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Re: Who says being drunk can't be spiritual, I beg to differ. I feel very in tune. [Re: DimensionX]
#8427462 - 05/21/08 05:29 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Quote:
DimensionX said:
It can make you feel very centered and at peace with yourself. I like that Roman saying, it can be thought of as meaning people speak more honestly when they are drunk, but i also like to think that it means that when all inhibitions are removed the truth of human nature is revealed.
I think that a lot of people think very negatively.
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Re: Who says being drunk can't be spiritual, I beg to differ. I feel very in tune. [Re: Mandrake]
#8427537 - 05/21/08 06:00 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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I think that if you are truly a spiritual thinker, you will find spirituality in everything you do, as all of life is one giant spiritual experience. So this includes getting drunk. Hell even coke can have spiritual quality if/when you learn the lesson about greed that it is trying to teach
However, i do also feel in terms of chemicals being used to facilitate spirituality, alcohol does a terrible job relative to psychedelics and even pot. Low doses to get a buzz seem the best because senses seem to slightly improve, before going really downhill. This is good for interacting and creating a social connection/bond with other people, which is something i consider spiritual. But get much higher and it tends to usually cause more harm than good.
Really, I think that anything that disables my body, shuts off my senses, thought processes, and awareness are taking me in the opposite direction of where i am trying to head. So as far as I'm concerned, in terms of spirituality, alcohol blows
just my opinion
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Re: Who says being drunk can't be spiritual, I beg to differ. I feel very in tune. [Re: Help on the Way]
#8427643 - 05/21/08 06:45 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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I agree with the Romans that some Wine can really put you in a great place, any alcohol I would imagine, but for me just a little wine now and then is perfect. That said, alcohol gets way less significant spiritually in high doses, which is frequently the case. I would say alcohol is a great teacher, and a lot of stoners tend to bash it unfairly, but it is also a sloppy, dangerous drug, and the way that our society treats it is ignorant and childish. With such attitudes it is no wonder that Alcohol is the drug that it is. Just imagine what the cults of Baachus must have gotten from it.
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Re: Who says being drunk can't be spiritual, I beg to differ. I feel very in tune. [Re: Mandrake]
#8427667 - 05/21/08 06:55 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Look at the UK, especially Scotland(where i live), alcohol is not spiritual, there is a ridiculous amount of alcohol fueled crime here, lots of fights, stabbings, people getting slashed, shot, robbed all after some people have a drink.
Obviously there's lots of other factors that cause this sort of behaviour but there would be allot less violence here if alcohol didn't exist.
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Re: Who says being drunk can't be spiritual, I beg to differ. I feel very in tune. [Re: Help on the Way]
#8428446 - 05/21/08 11:43 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Quote:
Help on the Way said:
I think that if you are truly a spiritual thinker, you will find spirituality in everything you do, as all of life is one giant spiritual experience. So this includes getting drunk. Hell even coke can have spiritual quality if/when you learn the lesson about greed that it is trying to teach
However, i do also feel in terms of chemicals being used to facilitate spirituality, alcohol does a terrible job relative to psychedelics and even pot. Low doses to get a buzz seem the best because senses seem to slightly improve, before going really downhill. This is good for interacting and creating a social connection/bond with other people, which is something i consider spiritual. But get much higher and it tends to usually cause more harm than good.
Really, I think that anything that disables my body, shuts off my senses, thought processes, and awareness are taking me in the opposite direction of where i am trying to head. So as far as I'm concerned, in terms of spirituality, alcohol blows
just my opinion
Thanks, I think that it depends on the person as well. So many great novels and paintings etc have been created while under the influence that I think it really depends on how you treat it. Really, pot is the same way nowadays. Most people just wanna get stoned and nothing more.
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Re: Who says being drunk can't be spiritual, I beg to differ. I feel very in tune. [Re: Mandrake]
#8428506 - 05/21/08 12:03 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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i agree, i've felt very lucid and spiritual after having a little bit of drink, it depends on one's intentions.
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sam420
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Re: Who says being drunk can't be spiritual, I beg to differ. I feel very in tune. [Re: Mandrake]
#8428524 - 05/21/08 12:07 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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After a little, I feel very philosophical and in touch. It's a thin line though.
It makes me feel relaxed enough to ponder internal questions which I wouldn't usually have the patience for.
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Re: Who says being drunk can't be spiritual, I beg to differ. I feel very in tune. [Re: sam420]
#8428665 - 05/21/08 12:40 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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if im drinking in a good enviornment yes. if im binje drinking natty light at my friends house... not so much.
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Re: Who says being drunk can't be spiritual, I beg to differ. I feel very in tune. [Re: Mandrake]
#8428681 - 05/21/08 12:45 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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I feel good drunk, but I dont feel like I am tune with anything..except for the spinny gods. But it tends to make me too obnoxious and loud and annoying when I drink too much.
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Re: Who says being drunk can't be spiritual, I beg to differ. I feel very in tune. [Re: Mandrake]
#8428718 - 05/21/08 12:55 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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I used to feel somewhat in tune, until the seventh or eight drink, then it was just drunken autopilot.
But these days I feel in tune almost all the time, when I am not on any drugs. By the middle of my second beer I have lost my normal sense of awareness and well-being. My drinking has slowed greatly because nowadays I would almost always prefer to be sober.
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Re: Who says being drunk can't be spiritual, I beg to differ. I feel very in tune. [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#8428736 - 05/21/08 01:03 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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drinkin for me is very relaxed almost automatic tho when i get liquor in the equations i always feel i gotta rush myself, and i tend to get anxiety
either way a cold brewskie is great at the end of the day
buds however i gotta blaze during the day or else everything gets so fuzzy the nexts
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Re: Who says being drunk can't be spiritual, I beg to differ. I feel very in tune. [Re: aiyobro]
#8429666 - 05/21/08 04:57 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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meh, i dont really think so but ever priest that has ever taken the alter at my dads church has been an alcoholic up until the most recent one. so maybe there is something to it
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Re: Who says being drunk can't be spiritual, I beg to differ. I feel very in tune. [Re: nalyudi]
#8429815 - 05/21/08 05:30 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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In moderation anything can be spiritual, or then again with the right mindset anything, no matter what dose, can be spiritual. It's just in how you look at it.
But if we're not speaking philosophically, I'd have to say that moderate doses of alcohol can be a great tool for lifting social/cultural inhibitions and letting one's soul speak freely. In excess, though, it can harm your body and mind more than any other common drug out there.
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