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 U.S. court ruling on Tasers worries Canadian doctors
#8377099 - 05/08/08 11:20 AM (6 months, 22 days ago) |
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Not sure if this fits in science or politics, can be moved as seen fit.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/05/07/taser-court.html?ref=rss
U.S. court ruling on Tasers worries Canadian doctors
CBC News
May 8, 2008
A court ruling in the United States about Tasers is causing concern in Canada’s medical community.
The U.S.-based manufacturer of the controversial stun guns, Taser International, has won a court order in Ohio that forces a medical examiner to change autopsy reports.
Dr. Lisa Kohler had found that electrical shocks from Tasers were partially to blame for the deaths of three men in separate confrontations with police.
Taser International launched and won a civil suit, forcing Kohler to delete any reference to the deaths being related to electric shocks, and to term them “accidental deaths.”
Dr. Matthew Stanbrook of the Canadian Medical Association (CMA) says the decision doesn’t take into account the difficult of determining an exact cause of death in almost every case.
“If we were required to have at the level of scientific and medical certainty that something was the cause of death, before we were permitted to declare it, most of the people who died in North America would have died of unknown causes,” Stanbrook said.
“It is a physician making their best judgment given all the facts available.”
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 Re: U.S. court ruling on Tasers worries Canadian doctors [Re: Visionary Tools]
#8377152 - 05/08/08 11:38 AM (6 months, 22 days ago) |
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ive been tasered and seen many others get tasered as well. i cant really see how it would kill a moderately healthy individual. i think even modern pacemakers are not effected by them. but there should be good judgment on who could handle being tasered
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Re: U.S. court ruling on Tasers worries Canadian doctors [Re: nalyudi]
#8377373 - 05/08/08 12:32 PM (6 months, 22 days ago) |
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nalyudi said:
ive been tasered and seen many others get tasered as well. i cant really see how it would kill a moderately healthy individual. i think even modern pacemakers are not effected by them. but there should be good judgment on who could handle being tasered
u fail to understand that if some1 was on a drug such as cocaine, a stimulant, than it causes irreversible damage to the heart, and if u taze a non healthy individual who is trippin, the stress alone can kill them
there have been over 200 taser deaths btw
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Re: U.S. court ruling on Tasers worries Canadian doctors [Re: Coaster]
#8377387 - 05/08/08 12:37 PM (6 months, 22 days ago) |
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so their own irresponsibility led to their death. that sucks but everyone makes their own choices. they would not have been tasered if they were not acting out.
how many OD deaths have their been?
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Edited by nalyudi (05/08/08 12:39 PM)
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Re: U.S. court ruling on Tasers worries Canadian doctors [Re: Coaster]
#8377406 - 05/08/08 12:41 PM (6 months, 22 days ago) |
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Coaster said:
there have been over 200 taser deaths btw
And there have been over 100x more deaths resulting from police using hands on tactics or deadly force to stop an aggressive suspect.
Tasers do have risks, like everything else, but compared to the alternatives they are a much safer option for stopping someone.
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Re: U.S. court ruling on Tasers worries Canadian doctors [Re: WakeboardrB]
#8377412 - 05/08/08 12:42 PM (6 months, 22 days ago) |
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Re: U.S. court ruling on Tasers worries Canadian doctors [Re: WakeboardrB]
#8377426 - 05/08/08 12:45 PM (6 months, 22 days ago) |
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And why the fuck do Canadian doctors care about a court ruling in Ohio? I still can't figure that one out.
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Re: U.S. court ruling on Tasers worries Canadian doctors [Re: WakeboardrB]
#8377470 - 05/08/08 12:57 PM (6 months, 22 days ago) |
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> And why the fuck do Canadian doctors care about a court ruling in Ohio?
Because it distorts the sample space making research into the safety of the devices based upon use in the field inaccurate. It also shows that politics once again has trumped medicine in the name of profit. We know about this one, but how many cases exist where something known to be deadly is portrayed as safe because of politics and profiteering?
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Re: U.S. court ruling on Tasers worries Canadian doctors [Re: Coaster]
#8377543 - 05/08/08 01:15 PM (6 months, 22 days ago) |
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fucking pussy cops have to resort to tasers.
didn't they just beat down trippin hippies with billyclubs before the arrival of the taser?
i think before any cop is allowed to use a taser, tehy have to be tased first to know what it's like.
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Re: U.S. court ruling on Tasers worries Canadian doctors [Re: WakeboardrB]
#8377573 - 05/08/08 01:21 PM (6 months, 22 days ago) |
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WakeboardrB said:
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Coaster said:
there have been over 200 taser deaths btw
And there have been over 100x more deaths resulting from police using hands on tactics or deadly force to stop an aggressive suspect.
Tasers do have risks, like everything else, but compared to the alternatives they are a much safer option for stopping someone.
u dont understand preventative deaths do u
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Re: U.S. court ruling on Tasers worries Canadian doctors [Re: MistaUNGA]
#8377576 - 05/08/08 01:22 PM (6 months, 22 days ago) |
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MistaUNGA said:
fucking pussy cops have to resort to tasers.
didn't they just beat down trippin hippies with billyclubs before the arrival of the taser?
i think before any cop is allowed to use a taser, tehy have to be tased first to know what it's like.
why risk harm to your self when you are equipped with somehting to do the job so much more effectively? if a taser doesnt put you on your back you are not human. as far as billy clubbing hippies. if they were freaking out and attacking me i would too, but most probably werent and didnt deserve it. yes cops have to be tased and pepper sprayed before they are allowed to carry it.
who votes they have to get shot in order to carry a gun? 
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Re: U.S. court ruling on Tasers worries Canadian doctors [Re: Coaster]
#8377614 - 05/08/08 01:29 PM (6 months, 22 days ago) |
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Coaster said:
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WakeboardrB said:
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Coaster said:
there have been over 200 taser deaths btw
And there have been over 100x more deaths resulting from police using hands on tactics or deadly force to stop an aggressive suspect.
Tasers do have risks, like everything else, but compared to the alternatives they are a much safer option for stopping someone.
u dont understand preventative deaths do u
Do you mean preventable deaths? If so then I don't think you understand it.
Tasers are used to prevent death or injury that normally results from physical or lethal tactics police use to subdue or eliminate a threat. Just because a few people have died from it doesn't mean that it hasn't saved thousands of lives since it's been fielded.
Back in the day a cop would either shoot you are beat you to within an inch of your life if you were displaying aggressive tendencies. How is that safer than a Taser?
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Edited by WakeboardrB (05/08/08 01:32 PM)
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Re: U.S. court ruling on Tasers worries Canadian doctors [Re: Visionary Tools]
#8377690 - 05/08/08 01:44 PM (6 months, 22 days ago) |
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you saw the video of the cop who tasered the guy for sitting in a chair right?
and you saw the video of the UCLA student getting tased.
and what about the protesters at a debate who were tased?
it is these excessive uses of force that i loath. if an officer legitimately fears for his life or safety, then it is an acceptable alternative.
but a 21 year old scrawny kid freakin out on acid? i'd hope an officer would be able to physically subdue him himself, let alone with other officers present. look at the kid's pic. he doesn't get no sunshine, he doesn't life weights. he doesn't get laid. he was not a threat to their lives or safety.
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Re: U.S. court ruling on Tasers worries Canadian doctors [Re: WakeboardrB]
#8377745 - 05/08/08 01:55 PM (6 months, 22 days ago) |
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Tasers are used to prevent death or injury that normally results from physical or lethal tactics police use to subdue or eliminate a threat. Just because a few people have died from it doesn't mean that it hasn't saved thousands of lives since it's been fielded.
Back in the day a cop would either shoot you are beat you to within an inch of your life if you were displaying aggressive tendencies. How is that safer than a Taser?
dood 4 realz that is such a shitty argument
i no 4 sure it has killed more ppl than saved
a cop can easily subdue a kid in their boxers runnin around, who obviously isnt a threat to cops, they are jus to laze to actually tackle the poor kid
maybe 1 day ull get tased even tho u shouldnt have and then ull realize how fuckni trigger happy these pigs really r
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Re: U.S. court ruling on Tasers worries Canadian doctors [Re: Coaster]
#8377767 - 05/08/08 02:00 PM (6 months, 22 days ago) |
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i volunteered to be tased. its not that bad. you are just completely incapacitated, its more of a scare than a pain. i wasnt tased over and over like some get it either. i did one cycle and was unhooked.
im not saying pigs dont over use and abuse, but a taser is fairly safe method of incapacitation.
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Re: U.S. court ruling on Tasers worries Canadian doctors [Re: nalyudi]
#8377775 - 05/08/08 02:03 PM (6 months, 22 days ago) |
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no dood its not, u think every1 can handle that much electricity
u seem to think that since u can handle it then every1 else can
tase a lil girl and shell prolly die
there is no fine line between some1 who can handle it and sum1 who cant
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Re: U.S. court ruling on Tasers worries Canadian doctors [Re: Coaster]
#8377777 - 05/08/08 02:04 PM (6 months, 22 days ago) |
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Re: U.S. court ruling on Tasers worries Canadian doctors [Re: Coaster]
#8377954 - 05/08/08 02:56 PM (6 months, 22 days ago) |
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Coaster said:
there have been over 200 taser deaths btw
no there havent, a court case says there were no deaths by taser,
those people just died of stuff, and natural causes... the cops
were using the taser to resuscitate them
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Re: U.S. court ruling on Tasers worries Canadian doctors [Re: Coaster]
#8377987 - 05/08/08 03:10 PM (6 months, 22 days ago) |
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Coaster said:
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Tasers are used to prevent death or injury that normally results from physical or lethal tactics police use to subdue or eliminate a threat. Just because a few people have died from it doesn't mean that it hasn't saved thousands of lives since it's been fielded.
Back in the day a cop would either shoot you are beat you to within an inch of your life if you were displaying aggressive tendencies. How is that safer than a Taser?
dood 4 realz that is such a shitty argument
i no 4 sure it has killed more ppl than saved
a cop can easily subdue a kid in their boxers runnin around, who obviously isnt a threat to cops, they are jus to laze to actually tackle the poor kid
maybe 1 day ull get tased even tho u shouldnt have and then ull realize how fuckni trigger happy these pigs really r
I'm not even going to bother arguing with you if you are going to be so retarded about this.
And yes, I've been hit with a stun gun a few times. Same voltage, same amperage, less duration and no barbs. It doesn't exactly "hurt", in fact it hurts less than sticking your finger in a light socket that's for damn sure.
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Re: U.S. court ruling on Tasers worries Canadian doctors [Re: WakeboardrB]
#8378293 - 05/08/08 04:34 PM (6 months, 22 days ago) |
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WakeboardrB said:
I'm not even going to bother arguing with you if you are going to be so retarded about this.
And yes, I've been hit with a stun gun a few times. Same voltage, same amperage, less duration and no barbs. It doesn't exactly "hurt", in fact it hurts less than sticking your finger in a light socket that's for damn sure.
same here
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