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 What was the general public & media reaction when LSD started to become known?
#4755564 - 10/04/05 06:24 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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This is the kind of thing I hear so many conflicting things about. Everyone knows about the propaganda & made up stories in the news, and everyone knows about Leary's prostelitizing in public. But how did people generally react to the idea of acceptable use of LSD?
These days, it seems so strange to even THINK about mentioning LSD or mushrooms as an acceptable & legitmate substance for introspection, at least in the media or a public form. It's hard not to get a reaction of total shock in an offended nature. But I think I can remember seeing things in Time magazine which took LSD seriously, or interviews with Leary in which the interviewer was legitmately interested in the subject.
It's just so hard to look back and see how things were because LSD became so quickly filled with propaganda and misinformation. Hell, even these days, because of certain government agencies, we can't really, fully understand LSD.
Oh well, always interesting subject. Anyone have any info?
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 Re: What was the general public & media reaction when LSD started to become known? [Re: Twirling]
#4755567 - 10/04/05 06:26 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Twirling said:
This is the kind of thing I hear so many conflicting things about. Everyone knows about the propaganda & made up stories in the news, and everyone knows about Leary's prostelitizing in public. But how did people generally react to the idea of acceptable use of LSD?
These days, it seems so strange to even THINK about mentioning LSD or mushrooms as an acceptable & legitmate substance for introspection, at least in the media or a public form. It's hard not to get a reaction of total shock in an offended nature. But I think I can remember seeing things in Time magazine which took LSD seriously, or interviews with Leary in which the interviewer was legitmately interested in the subject.
It's just so hard to look back and see how things were because LSD became so quickly filled with propaganda and misinformation. Hell, even these days, because of certain government agencies, we can't really, fully understand LSD.
Oh well, always interesting subject. Anyone have any info?
I suggest you check out the book; Acid Dreams, the complete social history of LSD, the CIA and the sixties. Look for it on Amazon a very decent read.
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Re: What was the general public & media reaction when LSD started to become known? [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
#4755582 - 10/04/05 06:30 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm checking out the website now. Thanks.
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Re: What was the general public & media reaction when LSD started to become known? [Re: Twirling]
#4755598 - 10/04/05 06:34 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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The website's sample reading is excellent. I'll have to pick this book up sometime.
I'd also be interested in hearing the negative effects that resulted from general public LSD use. It's another thing that is so filled with politics that it's hard to discern what's real and what's made up.
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Re: What was the general public & media reaction when LSD started to become known? [Re: Twirling]
#4755995 - 10/04/05 08:22 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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When LSD was still legal, where did people get it from? Was it in blotter form, or did that only start when it became illegal. Who sold it?
Were doses regulated and known to everyone? Because Leary recommends 70ug while listening to his turn on, tune in and drop out album, if I recommend correctly. Could you just go out and buy stuff and know the exact dosage like that?
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Re: What was the general public & media reaction when LSD started to become known? [Re: Twirling]
#4756041 - 10/04/05 08:39 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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The media helped the government demonize it pretty quickly. First it was chromosome damage, birth defects and freak outs and then it was Charles Manson.
They forgot the part about the fact that psychedelic drugs were our last chance to evolve quickly enough to stop ourselves from self destruction. Oh well, maybe on the next planet we'll do better.
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Re: What was the general public & media reaction when LSD started to become known? [Re: leery11]
#4756073 - 10/04/05 08:46 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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When LSD was still legal, where did people get it from? Was it in blotter form, or did that only start when it became illegal. Who sold it?
You could order it straight from Sandoz Pharmaceuticals in Basel, Switzerland if you didn't know someone who had it. It was legal until October 6, 1966.
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Were doses regulated and known to everyone? Because Leary recommends 70ug while listening to his turn on, tune in and drop out album, if I recommend correctly. Could you just go out and buy stuff and know the exact dosage like that?
Good question. I assume people who had vials of Sandoz LSD just estimated?
Where does Leary recommend listening to "TOTIDO" on 70ug of LSD? I had never heard that before. Which "TOTIDO" album are you referring to, the soundtrack or the ESP label album?
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Re: What was the general public & media reaction when LSD started to become known? [Re: Twirling]
#4756087 - 10/04/05 08:50 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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The website's sample reading is excellent. I'll have to pick this book up sometime.
I'd also be interested in hearing the negative effects that resulted from general public LSD use. It's another thing that is so filled with politics that it's hard to discern what's real and what's made up.
Check out the book man. It shows an unbiased perspective from both sides. The bad side of LSD and the good side. Contrary to what Leery fan thinks any joe schmoe couldn't just call up sandoz and order a vial it doesn't work like that. Even if it was legal in the states. If you were ever in any kind of trade whether it be carpentry of chemistry people just don't sell to anybody they have to know you. Also contrary to what leery fan perports the media didn't always demonize lsd. The media was often times just as much of a tool for the new left wing acid eaters as if was for the establishment. It was a two way street.
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"The time has come the walrus said, little oysters hide their heads, my Twain of thought is loosely bound I guess its time to Mark this down, Be good and you will be lonesome
Be lonesome and you will be free
Live a lie and you will live to regret it
That's what livin' is to me
That's what livin' is to me"
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Re: What was the general public & media reaction when LSD started to become known? [Re: Learyfan]
#4756096 - 10/04/05 08:53 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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They forgot the part about the fact that psychedelic drugs were our last chance to evolve quickly enough to stop ourselves from self destruction. Oh well, maybe on the next planet we'll do better.
Wow dude. You have got to be kidding me right? You sound just as brainwashed by the old values of the left/activist hippies as a neocon does from then new right.
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Total abstinence is so excellent a thing that it cannot be carried to too great an extent. In my passion for it I even carry it so far as to totally abstain from total abstinence itself.
-Mark Twain
"The time has come the walrus said, little oysters hide their heads, my Twain of thought is loosely bound I guess its time to Mark this down, Be good and you will be lonesome
Be lonesome and you will be free
Live a lie and you will live to regret it
That's what livin' is to me
That's what livin' is to me"
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Re: What was the general public & media reaction when LSD started to become known? [Re: Learyfan]
#4756106 - 10/04/05 08:56 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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The library at my college has this book. I'm gonna pick it up tomarrow.
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Re: What was the general public & media reaction when LSD started to become known? [Re: Learyfan]
#4756187 - 10/04/05 09:19 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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They forgot the part about the fact that psychedelic drugs were our last chance to evolve quickly enough to stop ourselves from self destruction.
How so? It's my impression evolution can only be brought on my sudden climate shifts?
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Re: What was the general public & media reaction when LSD started to become known? [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
#4756190 - 10/04/05 09:20 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Oops.
Too late.
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Re: What was the general public & media reaction when LSD started to become known? [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#4756192 - 10/04/05 09:20 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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(no offense meant)
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Re: What was the general public & media reaction when LSD started to become known? [Re: Learyfan]
#4756275 - 10/04/05 09:32 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Learyfan said:
The media helped the government demonize it pretty quickly. First it was chromosome damage, birth defects and freak outs and then it was Charles Manson.
How quickly? I remember hearing about how initially the psychiatric/neurological community was very excited about it, and it didn't really develop a stigma until a few years later. In this Alex Grey book I have, it mentions how he did a report on LSD in 6th grade, and no one thought anything of it. His teacher gave him an A.
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Re: What was the general public & media reaction when LSD started to become known? [Re: Silversoul]
#4756283 - 10/04/05 09:33 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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EASD
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Re: What was the general public & media reaction when LSD started to become known? [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#4756286 - 10/04/05 09:34 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^waste of a post.
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Re: What was the general public & media reaction when LSD started to become known? [Re: Silversoul]
#4756530 - 10/04/05 10:08 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Learyfan said:
They forgot the part about the fact that psychedelic drugs were our last chance to evolve quickly enough to stop ourselves from self destruction.
How so? It's my impression evolution can only be brought on my sudden climate shifts?
What the world needs is a shift in consciousness. Psychedelic and related drugs are the most important ingredient to help us make this shift. Those who help to keep these drugs illegal are an enemy to the human race.
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Paradigm said:
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Learyfan said:
The media helped the government demonize it pretty quickly. First it was chromosome damage, birth defects and freak outs and then it was Charles Manson.
How quickly? I remember hearing about how initially the psychiatric/neurological community was very excited about it, and it didn't really develop a stigma until a few years later. In this Alex Grey book I have, it mentions how he did a report on LSD in 6th grade, and no one thought anything of it. His teacher gave him an A.
It is hard to pinpoint the exact moment that the media became overwhelmingly anti-LSD. I guess the day it became illegal.
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Re: What was the general public & media reaction when LSD started to become known? [Re: Learyfan]
#4756581 - 10/04/05 10:15 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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What the world needs is a shift in consciousness. Psychedelic and related drugs are the most important ingredient to help us make this shift. Those who help to keep these drugs illegal are an enemy to the human race.
You don't think unconditional love is more important than drugs? You must put little faith in humanity.
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Re: What was the general public & media reaction when LSD started to become known? [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#4756611 - 10/04/05 10:18 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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He's trying to say, I think, that it is extremely important that the human race grows in Self-awareness. If there is a natural (or synthetic) food/substance that stimulates new levels of awareness, then there should be caution on the part of those who would initially feel the need to outlaw/ban/suppress these foods/substances.
On the other side of the coin, God knows what He's doing.
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Re: What was the general public & media reaction when LSD started to become known? [Re: Enter]
#4756640 - 10/04/05 10:24 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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You should rely on drugs to do what mother nature failed at!
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