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 Chemy
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 Drugs 'legal in 10 years' claim [UK]
#7826714 - 01/03/08 09:14 AM (9 months, 3 days ago) |
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Drugs 'legal in 10 years' claim
The legalisation of all drugs is "inevitable", according to the Chief Constable of North Wales.
Richard Brunstrom, who has campaigned for drugs like heroin to be made legal, says he believes the move towards decriminalisation is "10 years away".
The chief constable said repealing the Misuse of Drugs Act would destroy a major source of organised crime.
He also said he thinks ecstasy is safer than aspirin. Drugs charity DrugScope said legalisation is "unlikely".
Speaking on the BBC's Today programme, the controversial chief constable acknowledged that his was a minority view, but he said attitudes were changing.
"I'm certainly out of step with the majority of senior police officers, but not all of them," he said.
Ecstasy is a remarkably safe substance - it's far safer than aspirin
Richard Brunstrom
"But in terms of society, public attitudes change quite rapidly and you need look no further than drinking and driving: in the space of my lifetime drinking and driving has gone from being socially acceptable, almost the norm, to being socially unacceptable.
"I think that the legalisation and subsequent regulation of proscribed drugs is now inevitable, and I think it's ten years away, not ten months away."
He went on: "It has already happened in for instance Portugal, a full member of the European Union, decriminalised under the existing international treaties.
"The same sort of thing is being talked about across the world."
He said levels of drug misuse across the country might be falling because of better treatment programmes, but the problem was still acute.
'Prohibition doesn't work'
"We're still causing something like £20bn worth of damage to our society every year," he said.
"More than half of all recorded crime is caused by people feeding a drugs habit.
"The government wants evidence-based policy; the evidence is very clear that prohibition doesn't work, it can't work, an enforcement-led strategy is making things worse, not better."
Mr Brunstrom was invited onto Radio 4 by three members of Dyfed-Powys Police, who were guest editing the New Year's Day's edition of the programme.
He also said there was a lot of "scaremongering" and "rumour-mongering" about drugs.
Battle
"Ecstasy is a remarkably safe substance - it's far safer than aspirin," he said.
"If you look at the government's own research into deaths you'll find that ecstasy, by comparison to many other substances - legal and illegal - it is comparably a safe substance."
A spokesman for DrugScope, the UK's leading independent centre of expertise on drugs, said they believe the legalisation of drugs within the next decade is "unlikely".
"Neither the current government nor the leaders of the other parties show any inclination towards drug law reform in the near future," he said.
"And in fact this government has already suggested its desire and its looking closely at reclassifying cannabis from class C to B."
In October, Mr Brunstrom said drugs laws were out of date and that the police are engaged in a battle which they cannot win.
He said he is now campaigning for drugs to be legalised, and for the class A, B and C system to be scrapped.
The police chief's suggestions were criticised by some politicians. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/7166748.stm
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Re: Drugs 'legal in 10 years' claim [UK] [Re: Chemy]
#7826989 - 01/03/08 10:40 AM (9 months, 3 days ago) |
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Ok lets do a study.
Pool A takes an effective dose of ecstasy daily for one year.
Pool B takes an effective dose of aspirin daily for one year.
Whose health (physical and mental) is going to be better at the end of the year? HMMMM...
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Re: Drugs 'legal in 10 years' claim [UK] [Re: Noviseer]
#7827000 - 01/03/08 10:44 AM (9 months, 3 days ago) |
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According to most of the people I've talked to in SNS, the group that takes ecstasy everyday.
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Re: Drugs 'legal in 10 years' claim [UK] [Re: fapjack]
#7827015 - 01/03/08 10:50 AM (9 months, 3 days ago) |
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i know a person who is addicted to ecstasy (psychological addiction not physical obviously) and he looks like SHIT. And he only uses E. His whole face looks so terrible and his reaction to anything while sober is TERRIBLE. E can be a safe drug if you know how to use it responsibly, which also means to not do it every day but once a month-2 months is OK.
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Re: Drugs 'legal in 10 years' claim [UK] [Re: Enhance_Shammy]
#7827062 - 01/03/08 11:21 AM (9 months, 3 days ago) |
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You also don't know the purity of what your friend is taking. The claim that ecstacy is safer than aspirin is surely for pure MDMA, not necessarily the meth cut drug filled street shit that is commonly bought.
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bah, I'm tired of you people so blindly accepting any positive reviews about drugs while rebuffing any that are negative. You know not all negative effects are just bs... Also considering the widespread use of aspirin and the few deaths a year, most by suicide dosage, you would be pretty stupid to assume ecstasy is safer. Even considering pure mdma any drug that intoxicates you caries a risk higher than that of one the doesn't. That's just common sense.
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He should not have compared aspirin and E.
A MUCH better comparison would be a comparison between someone who eats McDonalds every day and someone who takes E everyday for a year.
The person eating McDonalds everyday for a year would be a disgusting fatass slob with type 2 diabetes, sky high cholesterol and high blood pressure, and the person taking E would probably have a great attitude, great outlook on life and be a great person to have around.
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Re: Drugs 'legal in 10 years' claim [UK] [Re: Chemy]
#7827159 - 01/03/08 12:02 PM (9 months, 3 days ago) |
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Quote:
Chemy said:
He should not have compared aspirin and E.
A MUCH better comparison would be a comparison between someone who eats McDonalds every day and someone who takes E everyday for a year.
The person eating McDonalds everyday for a year would be a disgusting fatass slob with type 2 diabetes, sky high cholesterol and high blood pressure, and the person taking E would probably have a great attitude, great outlook on life and be a great person to have around.
See this I can agree with...but come on. Aspirin?
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Re: Drugs 'legal in 10 years' claim [UK] [Re: THEBats]
#7827269 - 01/03/08 12:32 PM (9 months, 3 days ago) |
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I can see the tabloids jumping on that claim. But in terms of policing, drunks are probably the worst to deal with. Puke and fighting. If someone's loved up, they're more likely to hug than hit you.
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Re: Drugs 'legal in 10 years' claim [UK] [Re: THEBats]
#7827274 - 01/03/08 12:33 PM (9 months, 3 days ago) |
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Obviously with present data we can only speculate.
Hes just trying to make a point that MDMA itself is not the big killer that the media makes it out to be.
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Re: Drugs 'legal in 10 years' claim [UK] [Re: Ego Death]
#7827924 - 01/03/08 03:14 PM (9 months, 3 days ago) |
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mdma is the only synthetic that i would consider using, as it doesnt have a natural analogue that comes from a plant
but i dont now because i dont trust ANY synthetic not made leggally or under conditions where it is pure
ill prolly just order some of that beta ketone analogue shit lol
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