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 Experts warn of deadly effects of hallucinogenic jimson weed
#7232527 - 07/28/07 12:22 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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http://www.abqtrib.com/news/2007/jul/27/experts-warn-deadly-effects-hallucinogenic-jimson-/
Reality, hallucination and death are critically close to one another when it comes to the plant most commonly known as jimson weed or loco weed.
The plant's alkaloids can cause fatal heart attacks and dehydration, especially in desert climates, as well as a list of other uncomfortable effects, said Jess Benson, director of the New Mexico Poison Center.
Potency is impossible to predict because it varies from plant to plant and even leaf to leaf, Benson said.
But jimson weed's most dangerous effect is on behavior.
"People will go swimming after red-eyed dolphins, or whatever they're seeing, but they can't swim," Benson said. "They'll think they can fly and jump off a cliff."
He said jimson-weed users are sometimes violent because they are reacting to "scary hallucinations."
The titles of accounts of jimson-weed consumption on the Web site Erowid.com, where drug users share their experiences, include "weird stuff" and "a tale of nudity, arrest and insanity."
Most accounts recommend not using the plant. Several end with the user in the hospital. Many users on the Web site describe intense hallucinations that were hard to distinguish from reality.
"Superman came back to my room dragging a large cross," wrote one user. "He talked to me as he proceeded to crucify himself."
Instead of the shifts in perception that drugs such as LSD and hallucinogenic mushrooms produce, jimson-weed users report true hallucinations — having conversations with friends that weren't there and smoking imaginary cigarettes.
Many say they didn't realize they were hallucinating until the drug wore off.
The poisonous, hallucinogenic plant's scientific name is Datura stramonium, but the foul-smelling plant goes by other, more descriptive titles: loco weed, moonflower, mad hatter and devil's trumpet.
The poison center gets 10 to 15 calls a year for poisonings from the plant, Benson said.
Most exposures are from adolescents trying to get high.
"It's sort of the poor man's version of LSD," Benson said. "It's a different type of hallucination, and the side effects are much worse."
In addition to vivid visual and auditory hallucinations, the plant induces many unpleasant effects, he said, including:
• Constipation.
• Inability to urinate or incontinence.
• Inability to sweat.
• The feeling of crawling bugs.
• Dry mouth and skin.
• Elevation in body temperature, usually to about 101 degrees.
• Dilated pupils and sensitivity to light.
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Re: Experts warn of deadly effects of hallucinogenic jimson weed [Re: wireless]
#7232627 - 07/28/07 01:07 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Wow... I want some
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Re: Experts warn of deadly effects of hallucinogenic jimson weed [Re: Fexor]
#7232676 - 07/28/07 01:30 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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lol id like to see someone on that
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Re: Experts warn of deadly effects of hallucinogenic jimson weed [Re: makaveli8x8]
#7232722 - 07/28/07 02:00 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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its a good way to die =( get your chemistry set, and isolate the alkaloid... and be really fucking careful =P
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Re: Experts warn of deadly effects of hallucinogenic jimson weed [Re: wireless]
#7232745 - 07/28/07 02:13 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I had a friend take some when we were teens. He woke up 3 days later in the hospital after taking a teaspoon of Jimsonweed seed.
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Re: Experts warn of deadly effects of hallucinogenic jimson weed [Re: ToiletDuk]
#7232845 - 07/28/07 03:52 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Finally a total anti-drug story that's almost 100% accurate.
It's a shame that all the other bullshit will make people question the accuracy of this one too.
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Re: Experts warn of deadly effects of hallucinogenic jimson weed [Re: TurricaN]
#7232930 - 07/28/07 06:31 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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"It's sort of the poor man's version of LSD," Benson said. "It's a different type of hallucination, and the side effects are much worse."
I here thought mushrooms were poor mans LSD 
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Re: Experts warn of deadly effects of hallucinogenic jimson weed [Re: wireless]
#7232953 - 07/28/07 07:01 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Man, I've had a level 5 trip that literally made me rethink everything I ever knew to be real. I can't even imagine what that would be like, but damn it it sure sounds like something I'd like to do "ONCE".
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Re: Experts warn of deadly effects of hallucinogenic jimson weed [Re: The shroomy 1]
#7232958 - 07/28/07 07:06 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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haha. my friends momwas tlaking about her husband eating too much of the jimson.
something about him hiding in the woods for 2 days.
I attempted looking for the devil plant when i was young and reckless.
THANK GOD I neva found it.
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Re: Experts warn of deadly effects of hallucinogenic jimson weed [Re: Toke420]
#7233062 - 07/28/07 08:36 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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there's a ridiculous amount that grows on my family's land. I've never touched the crap and wouldn't ever... Death from a dilleriant is not my cup of tea.
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Re: Experts warn of deadly effects of hallucinogenic jimson weed [Re: simplystoned]
#7233122 - 07/28/07 09:20 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I see the trees blooming everywhere around here. I saw 3 of them yesterday!! All in different places and different colors.
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Re: Experts warn of deadly effects of hallucinogenic jimson weed [Re: Znaps]
#7233341 - 07/28/07 11:05 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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It grows wild here, I think its a cool drug if you can handle massive trips. People that have bad trips on that are immature and dont tell themselves that its just their head, not reality.
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Re: Experts warn of deadly effects of hallucinogenic jimson weed [Re: AtPeace]
#7233384 - 07/28/07 11:22 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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AtPeace said:
It grows wild here, I think its a cool drug if you can handle massive trips. People that have bad trips on that are immature and dont tell themselves that its just their head, not reality.
i dont think you know what your talking about, if you have ever taken stramonium, you would know that its not so easy to control. the tree flowers, brugmansia, are a completely different story however and one would be able to tell themselves that.
its not a massive "trip" its complete delirium, you literaly think of a friend and your mind jolts to him sitting next to you talking to you, the scenery changes too and you forget where you are and all of a sudden you go to answer him and hes gone, and your like, wtf? and that happends over and over for about 2 days, and your eyes stay like quarters for another 4 days, making it so you can barely coordinate your body when you walk.
if you havent figured out how to use the alkaloids by taking extremely small doses and working up (as well as changing the cocktail around), then i wouldnt take a dose equal enough to make you trip. its one thing to gain a relationship with a particular plant and its potency than to run around town collecting from random plants.
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Re: Experts warn of deadly effects of hallucinogenic jimson weed [Re: CptnGarden]
#7233523 - 07/28/07 12:25 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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you pretty much summed it up, captain. except for the 2 days part. i dont know where people got that idea. i took a huge dose compared to that teaspoon of seeds and was, like you said, in complete delirium for about 9 hours. it came on damn quick and i threw up only once. vision was blurry for a couple days, but the trip was pretty much gone by 9 or 10 hours. for a few months after ward i would have like 2 second flash backs a few times a week then finally none at all.
for a 2 day trip you may need to take like 6 or 7 ground nutmegs(not recommended). or 2 pounds of iboga root bark. that stuff'll kick your addiction to many drugs.
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Re: Experts warn of deadly effects of hallucinogenic jimson weed [Re: AtPeace]
#7234101 - 07/28/07 03:38 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
AtPeace said:
It grows wild here, I think its a cool drug if you can handle massive trips. People that have bad trips on that are immature and dont tell themselves that its just their head, not reality.
I don't know dude. I mean, if Terrence McKenna couldn't stay in full control, I don't think I want to take my chances.
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Re: Experts warn of deadly effects of hallucinogenic jimson weed [Re: TurricaN]
#7234397 - 07/28/07 05:17 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Man, shit sounds potent. I would like to carefully try it once. Possibly terrifying myself, but damn I'm interested. Devils weed 
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Re: Experts warn of deadly effects of hallucinogenic jimson weed [Re: mkc]
#7235377 - 07/29/07 12:13 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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A related plant is Brugmansia, also known as Angel Trumpets. I don't know why anyone, other than witchdoctors, would use these plants.
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Re: Experts warn of deadly effects of hallucinogenic jimson weed [Re: Unsane]
#7235757 - 07/29/07 06:03 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Ive tried this stuff and will never go near it again. For all you people who say it sounds funny and that you want to try it just once, dont. Its not a trip, its hours upon hours of delirium, headaches, aches and pains, horribly dry eyes, conversations with people/creatures that aren't there.
Its just a great big fucked up state of confusion that is FAR from enjoyable.
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Re: Experts warn of deadly effects of hallucinogenic jimson weed [Re: wireless]
#7239274 - 07/30/07 08:33 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I was encouraged by the fact that this article did not mention anything about making this plant illegal.
Because of its horrible effects, the authorities may just leave it alone on the pretense that the drug's negative side effects are enough to prevent large-scale abuse.
Wouldn't it be great if they (for once) left the choice up to individuals?
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