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Terrible news over here. Here is a mp3 of a 23minute radio program. The presenter is Pat Kenny who is probably the most well known active presenter in Ireland. It was broadcast yesterday. The ignorance of the shopkeeper is a bit disturbing, but I guess I have talked to barmen who havent a clue about drink either! They interview a head/hemp shop owner, a guy from an addiction clinic and the political minister who will introduce the ban. Pat Kenny is a bit of a wooden faced guy, he gets lots of jokes made about him, I was very surprised at some of his comments questioning as to why they should be illegal.
I heard this yesterday, made me so fucking angry. The worst part will be not being able to legally grow anymore. Noone on that show had any idea what they were talking about, the guy from the Rutland Center just compared shrooms to heroin and coke, and Noel Ahern sounded really ignorant, he basically condoned customs seizing somebodys property even if its legal.
Pat was surprising though, saying they were in the wrong, I thought he would have been a "ban em all man", as he slams down a pint. He did come up with the old ignorant chestnut "who is it that they are legal if they are effectively a recreational drug", what like alcohol Pat?
I wonder if the head shops can make any kind of legal challenge to this? I don't understand why this was brought up now, its been months since the incident in Dun Laoighaire and I heard that mushrooms didn't even play much of a part in it.
I don't see why not, after that discussion there were farmers complaining that their livelihood was at stake due to some ban on nitrates or something. Do these people's livelihoods mean nothing?
I have no doubt the guy was drinking and possibly on other stuff. A girl I know knew him, and another foaf. I did not ask her about it though, it wasn't an appropriate time. They did all mention it and it doesn't really matter if the shrooms played a part or not to the media, they just want to sell papers and don't give a fuck about the consequences.
oh god dammit. ud think in 40 damn years they could come up with a different story then the old 'guy jumped out of a window' bullshit.
obvious propaganda bullshit there. people fall out of windows completely sober all the time, but suddenly this dude is significant because he used shrooms...
its what i call 'push/pull' technique. you simply silence everything that doesent confirm your story and emphesise ad repeat the one story that does and eventualy it is the only one people will remember...
The Government is taking steps to change Ireland’s drug laws following the fatal fall of a young local man whose death has been blamed on magic mushrooms, Southside People has learned.Minister of State Noel Ahern (FF) confirmed last week that he is arranging with the T?naiste and Minister for Health, Mary Harney, to review drug legislation after the death of the man in Dun Laoghaire last year. The family of the man has already met Government officials in an attempt to get the substance banned. The young man in his 30s from Dun Laoghaire died after he jumped out of the balcony of his apartment in the town. There is an ongoing Garda investigation into the incident. It is understood that the man bought the magic mushrooms at a shop in Dublin where the potent hallucinogenic substances are still legally and openly on sale. The man had taken less than the recommended dosage that was printed on the packet. Previous to taking them he and his girlfriend and other friends had been playing a game of trivial pursuit and drinking beer. The man’s family insist that the drugs were to blame for the actions that led to the young man leaping to his death. In July of last year magic mushrooms were classified as class A drugs in Britain alongside heroin and cocaine. However, although there has been a long-standing ban on dry or packaged magic mushrooms, it is still legal to possess or sell them in fresh form in the Republic. Dublin South Central TD Aengus O’Snodaigh (SF), who has been in contact with the bereaved family, said they are trying to make sure that people are aware about what happened to their son.
“They also want more prosecutions against these outlets to make sure that the same thing doesn’t happen to someone else’s son or daughter,” he said. Fine Gael spokesman on health, Dr Liam Twomey TD, said the Minister for Health and Children, Mary Harney, should address the matter immediately and ban the substances. “The Minister should ban magic mushrooms and not make them so freely available,” Dr Twomey said. “Overall the UK normally has a more liberal drugs policy than Ireland. This should be an indication that there should be no argument about this. “These mushrooms do have hallucinogenic and often unpredictable effects,” he added. “Many people can get away with taking them but some people can end up getting addicted and having significant psychotic episodes and something unfortunate can happen, as in this case.” However, it was revealed late last week by the Minister of State, Noel Ahern, that, in fact, he has already met with officials in the Department of Health and Children to discuss the legality of magic mushrooms. “Late last year, following the sad death of this man, I met with members of his family and I subsequently arranged for officials from my department to meet with representatives of the Department of Health and Children, other departments and the gardai to assess the legal situation regarding magic mushrooms and whether existing legislation is sufficient to deal with their increased use and sale,” Minister Ahern told Southside People. “Arising from this, and subsequent consideration, it was decided that a change in the law was warranted. This is now being arranged through the T?naiste, Mary Harney TD, Minister for Health and Children, and her department.” Minister Ahern said the details are currently being worked out but added that he hoped that an appropriate change in secondary legislation could be made in the coming weeks. A 2003 drug prevalence study found that, across Ireland, magic mushrooms were the second most-used drug, with four per cent of the population saying they had used them at some time in their life. This compared with 18 per cent who had tried cannabis. In response to a D?il question posed by Aengus O’Snodaigh last year, the Minister for Justice, Michael McDowell, said the gardai regularly monitor premises where mushrooms are bought.
Quote: ?Overall the UK normally has a more liberal drugs policy than Ireland. This should be an indication that there should be no argument about this.
Yes if the UK do something it must be the right thing to do.
Quote: Previous to taking them he and his girlfriend and other friends had been playing a game of trivial pursuit and drinking beer.
So when are they gonna ban beer and trivial pursuit.
I have yet to hear the real story, first it was a party. Now it is a quiet night in playing trivial pursuit! who the fuck does shrooms playing trivial pursuit. He took less than the recommended dose, I wonder if he took less than the "recommended dose" of beer.
suicide scapegoat...
Quote: A 2003 drug prevalence study found that, across Ireland, magic mushrooms were the second most-used drug, with four per cent of the population saying they had used them at some time in their life. This compared with 18 per cent who had tried cannabis.
eh, alcohol?? nicotine?? obviously it is not just illegal drugs they are talking about since mushrooms are included.
If so many people are using them then the fact that there has only been a single death allegedly due to them is proof that they are relatively very safe. If the mother of a drunk driver who was killed asked Noel Ahern to ban drink she would be told to go fuck herself
Since when do they print a "recomended dose" on the packet? The trivial pursuit thing makes the whole story sound ridiculous, they make it out like he was innocently playing trivial pursuit and the evil mushrooms came along, forced themselves into his mouth and then made him jump out a window.
There has just been an item on the news about mushrooms being seized by customs. Apparently a judge upheld the right for customs to seize mushrooms even though they're not illegal. I can't find the story online at the moment. This just keeps getting worse.
The owner of a shop in Cork which sells magic mushrooms has failed in court to stop customs seizing shipments of mushrooms she imports.
Helen Stone told the High Court that customs officers had seized four shipments of the mushrooms worth over ?7,000, two of those in the past fortnight.
Ms Justice Mary Laffoy said there was a fair issue to be tried and said she would give an early date for a hearing of the case. However, she did not grant the injunction stopping Customs from seizing Helen Stone's mushrooms. Advertisement
Ms Stone says even though the mushrooms contain illegal chemicals, they are legal because she imports them in a fresh and unprocessed state.
However, Customs contends the mushrooms are illegal because of the illegal chemicals.
Magic Mushrooms are openly on sale in a number of shops all over the country and neither garda?, Customs, or the Departments of Justice and Health know if they are legal or illegal.
Magic mushrooms banned in Ireland after man's death by Jamie Deasy January 29, 2006 - timesonline.co.uk
THE sale of magic mushrooms is to be banned in Ireland, following a lobbying campaign by the family of a man who died after eating the drug.
Mary Harney, the health minister, told the Dail last week that legislation is being prepared to make possession or sale of magic mushrooms a criminal offence. This will bring Ireland into line with Britain, where they were classified as class A drugs alongside heroin and cocaine in July 2004.
The man in his thirties, from Dun Laoghaire, died last year after he jumped out of the balcony at his apartment. Gardai are investigating claims that he bought magic mushrooms at a shop in Dublin city centre, and had taken less than the recommended dosage on the packet.
The man?s family believe the hallucinogenic contributed to the actions that led to his death. Shortly beforehand, he and friends had been playing Trivial Pursuit and drinking beer.
His relatives have met government officials to ask that action be taken to stop shops selling magic mushrooms. Although there has been a long-standing ban on dry or packaged product, it is still legal to possess or sell them in fresh form.
Aengus O?Snodaigh, a Sinn Fein TD who has been in contact with the family, said they wanted people to be aware of what had happened to their son. ?They also want prosecutions against these outlets to make sure the same thing doesn?t happen to someone else?s son or daughter,? he said.
In response to a Dail question O?Snodaigh posed last year, Michael McDowell, the justice minister, said gardai regularly monitor the premises where mushrooms are bought.
Noel Ahern, the junior minister in charge of the national drugs strategy, says he has met with Department of Health officials to discuss the legal position of magic mushrooms.
?Late last year, following the sad death of this man, I met with members of his family and I subsequently arranged for officials from my department to meet with the departments of health and justice, the gardai, customs and the Forensic Science Laboratory to assess the legal situation and whether existing legislation is sufficient to deal with their increased use and sale,? Ahern said.
?Arising from this it was decided that a change in the law was warranted. This is now being arranged through the tanaiste and her department.?
A drug prevalence study published in 2004 found that magic mushrooms were the second most commonly used drug, after cannabis, which had been used at least once by 17.6% of people. Mushrooms had been used by 4%, similar to ecstasy (3.8%) and cocaine (3.1%).
Following the British ban, a spokesman at the Department of Health said there were no plans to change Irish law. But Harney said last week that legislation is now being prepared that will remove any doubt that ?magic mushrooms in their raw state are controlled drugs under the Misuse of Drugs Act?.
Dr Liam Twomey, Fine Gael?s spokesman on health, said that the mushrooms have hallucinogenic and often unpredictable effects. ?Many people can get away with taking them, but some people can end up getting addicted and having significant psychotic episodes and something unfortunate can happen as happened in this case.?
Last week a Cork shopkeeper failed to get a High Court order stopping customs officers from seizing shipments of unprocessed magic mushrooms that she wanted to sell in her store.
Helen Stone, who runs the Funky Skunk shop, had sought an injunction pending the outcome of legal proceedings against customs.
She said seizures of the mushrooms, imported fresh from Holland, were having a bad effect on business. She argued that they were not processed by her employees, and therefore they were not illegal.
But lawyers representing the customs service argued that magic mushrooms are unlawful, because they contain a prohibited substance.
Justice Mary Laffoy refused to make an order, but said she would fix an early date for the hearing of the substantive case.
"Shortly beforehand, he and friends had been playing Trivial Pursuit and drinking beer."
Beer = Fun and games.
Mushrooms = Death Death Death.
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Re: Mushrooms to be made illegal in Ireland. Possibly by summer. With 23min mp3 [Re: Koala Koolio] #5241805 - 01/30/06 11:36 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)
http://www.rte.ie/rams/radio/latest/Mon/rte-liveline.smil Another radio discussion about shrooms. Apparently 15 yearold girl bought them in the Hemp Shop, freaked out and her mother called into this show to bitch about it. This is all we fucking need.
This is fucking unbelievable there's people saying they'd prefer to see their children drink alcohol. There is a doctor saying that they are more dangerous than cocaine!
I'm hearing now that the Irish Sun is starting a campaign with the mother of the guy who died to have mushrooms banned.
Its official, mushrooms are now illegal to sell or possess in Ireland.
Sale of magic mushrooms outlawed January 31, 2006 - breakingnews.ie
The sale of magic mushrooms in the state is set to be completely outlawed today following the closure of a legal loophole.
The hallucinogenic fungi have been linked to the death of a man in Dublin and have been the subject of a High Court action by a shop owner in Cork.
T?naiste and Minister for Health Mary Harney is now set to introduce a regulation under the Misuse of Drugs Act to make it illegal to sell them in their raw state.
?She brought it to cabinet this morning to seek Government approval on it, and it?s a matter then of signing the regulation. It?ll be effective immediately,? said a spokesman.
Under the current legislation, it is illegal to sell magic mushrooms if they are processed but not if they are in their raw state.
Around 50 shops in Ireland currently sell magic mushrooms but they will now have to remove them from their shelves to comply with the law.
Last week, Helen Stone, who runs the Funky Skunk shop in Cork City, failed to get a High Court order stopping customs officers from seizing shipments of unprocessed magic mushrooms that she wanted to sell in her store.
But Ms Justice Mary Laffoy said there was a fair issue to be tried and said she would give an early date for a hearing of the case.
There was further controversy about magic mushrooms last year, when a man in his 30s from Dun Laoghaire died after allegedly taking them and jumping out of the balcony at his apartment.
His family believe the magic mushrooms were a factor in his death.
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