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 Bong Hits 4 Jesus: Free speech, in and out of school
#6709010 - 03/25/07 09:12 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Free speech, in and out of school
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/editorialsopinion/2003633239_courted25.html
A case featuring an attention-seeking kid holding an absurd sign should not compel the U.S. Supreme Court to limit free speech near high schools.
In 2002, 18-year-old senior Joseph Frederick stood across the street from his high school and unfurled a 14-foot banner that read "Bong Hits 4 Jesus." Frederick invoked his First Amendment right to free speech. An unamused principal, unable to maintain a cool head, ripped up the banner and suspended him, in part for using the word bong, interpreted as defiance of the Juneau, Alaska, school's anti-drug message. It was smart-alec behavior on the teen's part, but was it protected speech? The line between what falls within protected speech and what does not was appropriately drawn in 1969 when the Supreme Court ruled in Tinker v. Des Moines, (Iowa) School District that students have a right to engage in political speech.
The court should not overturn Tinker. But there are limits to free speech, particularly inside a school. School administrators, for example, can regulate speech on campus or at a school-sponsored event if it is vulgar, disruptive or interferes with education. An administrator of any school, public or private, needs that authority. A 1986 Supreme Court case from Washington state, Bethel School District v. Fraser, sharpened the line when it upheld a school's right to restrict students from vulgar speech at a school assembly.
Last week, in oral arguments before the high court, the attorney for the school district, former special prosecutor Kenneth Starr, argued that Frederick's sign glorified marijuana in defiance of the school's anti-drug message. Justice Anthony Kennedy took issue with the provocative banner because, he said, it was not indicative of the kind of image the school wanted to portray.
If the banner had been held on campus, that would be an argument. But Frederick's banner was off campus during a non-school event, an Olympic Torch relay. The school allowed students to attend the relay but Frederick skipped school that day and went to the event on his own.
The student was in a public setting — across the street from the school but not on its grounds — and should have been free to exercise free speech. The Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit appropriately sided with Frederick, as have the American Civil Liberties Union and religious groups such as the Christian Legal Society, the Rutherford Institute and a law center founded by the Rev. Pat Robertson.
On the other side are anti-drug organizations and two former U.S. drug czars. We are sympathetic to their goal of controlling drugs, but this is not a drug case. It is a speech case.
With children under its charge, and particularly on its property, a school needs to have a degree of authority, including over speech. That is why, for example, The Seattle Times opposes the bill sponsored by Rep. Dave Upthegrove, D-Des Moines, to give editorial control of high-school newspapers to the students.
Another example of schools' rights, approved by the Ninth Circuit Court after the Columbine shootings, is the expanded schools' ability to sanction students for "scary" speech, even when it has no direct impact on the school. Gun-free and drug-free zones have drawn a security perimeter around schools. Appropriately so.
But somewhere comes a limit to the school's authority. Outside school grounds, where politics meet the streets, school regulations fade and the rules are the same as applies to citizens generally, including free speech. Within the schools, access to free speech — from gang clothing to graffiti to pronouncements at school ceremonies — is necessarily within the realm of controlled speech.
Modern principals and superintendents, as well as the Supreme Court justices, should understand the distinction between on and off campus, between a regulated environment and the more tolerant regime outside.
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 Re: Bong Hits 4 Jesus: Free speech, in and out of school [Re: b0red5tiff]
#6709022 - 03/25/07 09:16 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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This has already been posted, if you have additions to the story you should bump the old post..
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Re: Bong Hits 4 Jesus: Free speech, in and out of school [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
#6709036 - 03/25/07 09:25 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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I read when it first happened, I didnt know that he won his case. Good for him, actually it's his right.
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Re: Bong Hits 4 Jesus: Free speech, in and out of school [Re: MustNotBe]
#6709064 - 03/25/07 09:45 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
MustNotBe said:
I read when it first happened, I didnt know that he won his case. Good for him, actually it's his right.
I don't know what you're reading, because he didn't win anything yet. The posted article above is an editorial saying he should win the case.
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Re: Bong Hits 4 Jesus: Free speech, in and out of school [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
#6709074 - 03/25/07 09:51 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
The Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit appropriately sided with Frederick
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"Hallucinations are something heroin users are not at all accustomed to," said Const. Conor King, Victoria police drug expert. "They react like you or I would react if we took Aspirin and all of a sudden the TV got up and started walking across the room."
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Re: Bong Hits 4 Jesus: Free speech, in and out of school [Re: MustNotBe]
#6709110 - 03/25/07 10:07 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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it appeared as a news piece that was posted today/yesterday so i guessed it contained updated information.
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Re: Bong Hits 4 Jesus: Free speech, in and out of school [Re: b0red5tiff]
#6709381 - 03/25/07 11:56 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Why would the Seattle Times want to keep editorial power of school newspapers OUT of the hands of students?
This is America and it's school halls are dripping with a sickeningly sweet jelly of censorship. Some people lap it up. To some its poisonous.
Fuckers. respek.
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Re: Bong Hits 4 Jesus: Free speech, in and out of school [Re: Sebastian23]
#6709512 - 03/25/07 12:50 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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yes it was new they just finally went to court over it, what, few years AFTER it happened? i think it was 4-5 years, could be wrong. could have just hit the jesus bong too many times.
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Re: Bong Hits 4 Jesus: Free speech, in and out of school [Re: b0red5tiff]
#6709625 - 03/25/07 01:26 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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MY PEN IS HUGE.................
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Re: Bong Hits 4 Jesus: Free speech, in and out of school [Re: FoURtWeNTy420]
#6712300 - 03/26/07 09:23 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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I guess civil liberties are overrated anyways......maybe the G.O.P should take away our ability to write and make us wear perminant duct tape around our mouths....it would just be so much easier then....
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Re: Bong Hits 4 Jesus: Free speech, in and out of school [Re: AuntieIrie]
#6713649 - 03/26/07 05:16 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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UPDATE
'Bong Hits 4 Jesus'
Bill of Rights applies to students, too
March 26, 2007
The U.S. Supreme Court heard arguments last week in a case that centered on whether and to what extent schools can limit students' freedom of speech. It is an opportunity for the court to reaffirm the idea that the Bill of Rights applies to all Americans, including students.
The case, called Morse v. Frederick, involves a 2002 incident in which a high school student in Juneau, Alaska, named Joseph Frederick displayed a 14-foot banner that read "Bong Hits 4 Jesus" at what was described as a school-sponsored event. The school's principal, Deborah Morse, told him to take it down. When Frederick refused Morse confiscated the banner and later suspended him.
Frederick appealed to the district superintendent and lost. After the school board also ruled against him, he sued in federal court claiming his First Amendment right to freedom of speech had been violated. He lost and appealed to the 9th U.S. Circuit of Appeals, which overturned the lower court and ruled in Frederick's favor. The school board then took the case to the Supreme Court.
The issue is not one of an unruly student disrupting class. Schools have the right to regulate classroom behavior, including limiting some forms of speech. Sexual harassment is an example.
But Frederick, who was 18 years old at the time, was not in class. He was not even on school property. He was standing on a public sidewalk across the street from the high school watching the Olympic torch pass by on its way to the Winter Olympics in Salt Lake.
The school says it was a school-sanctioned event, though, because students were let out of class to participate. It maintained that Morse was within her rights to take down the banner because Frederick's message undermined the school district's anti-drug policy. (A bong is a type of pipe commonly used to smoke marijuana.)
But what Frederick's message was is the subject of some conjecture. As one justice noted the banner could be read as "just nonsense." A lower-court judge wrote that "'Bong Hits 4 Jesus' may be funny, stupid, or insulting, depending on one's point of view."
Frederick himself described it as "a joke" and has said he did what he did not to promote drugs but to provoke principal Morse.
As if all that were not enough, a number of groups have filed briefs in support of both sides. The National School Boards Association and the Justice Department are backing the school district, which is being represented free of charge by Kenneth Starr of Clinton era fame. And, in a delightful case of strange bedfellows, the American Civil Liberties Union and a number of conservative Christian groups have sided with Frederick.
The ACLU is a longtime advocate of free speech. The religious groups, including Pat Robertson's American Center for Law and Justice, which is normally at odds with the ACLU, joined the case because they object to constraining religious speech. Some schools have banned T-shirts with anti-abortion messages or slogans condemning homosexuality.
For all that, though, the issue comes down to the fact that the school is claiming the right to stop an adult on a public sidewalk from expressing an idea that was at worst mildly offensive simply because he was a student.
That is not reason enough to curtail an American's rights.
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Re: Bong Hits 4 Jesus: Free speech, in and out of school [Re: b0red5tiff]
#6715003 - 03/26/07 11:35 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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"American's rights"
 what a joke in itself.
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Re: Bong Hits 4 Jesus: Free speech, in and out of school [Re: PopTop]
#6739188 - 04/02/07 05:22 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Jesus most like did smoke, He is the Messiah and to be a Messiah u would have to be annointed well the annoiting oil is made from like 6 pounds of weed! Plus its not liek weed was looked at as "bad" in his time so i dont see y he wouldnt its good for meditating and raising ur spirituality
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Re: Bong Hits 4 Jesus: Free speech, in and out of school [Re: b0red5tiff]
#7544308 - 10/21/07 07:49 PM (10 months, 10 days ago) |
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This Frederick dude is a fucking stud.
I live in a small town of around 14,000 and me and two buddies decided to put up a sign on a tree that said "Honk for hemp" and police came and told us to take it down. It's complete bullshit. We can't do anything without getting busted.
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