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 Salvia: ‘Seer's Sage' or ‘Devil's Drug'?
#7263137 - 08/05/07 05:39 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Source: http://www.wabashplaindealer.com/articles/2007/08/04/local_news/local3.txt
By SHEILA RHOADES
Friday, August 3, 2007 10:21 PM EDT
It's called salvia divinorum and it's the latest drug sweeping the country. This potent, mind-altering plant is generally used as a hallucinogen and is often compared to LSD and PCP. It cannot, thus far, be detected through typical drug screening.
If that's not frightening enough, consider this ... its use is legal in the state of Indiana and much of the United States.
Most have never even heard of it, including local pharmacists, herb shop owners, smoke shops and even law enforcement, which could actually mean that parents can learn about a drug targeting our youth - maybe even before our youth know about its existence.
Wabash City Police officers Matt Rebholz and Nick Brubaker, both detectives with the Wabash Drug Task Force, tried to find some information from law enforcement in the southern part of the state, where, according to some Internet maps, salvia has already arrived.
“We contacted three different agencies down there,” Brubaker told the Plain Dealer, “but we still haven't heard anything back.”
Rebholz said they had also been in touch with the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) out of Chicago and he said they didn't consider it to be a problem there, yet.
Sgt. Tony Slocum with the Indiana State Police said the three officers that work narcotics said “they haven't seen any.” He then added, “But since it's not an illegal drug, they wouldn't be looking for it, either.” Only one of the officers were familiar with the salvia.
Those who know its properties or have experienced its effects are calling it one of two things - “Seer's Sage” or “Devil's Drug.”
The Internet is a virtual reference guide on the topic and most of the information in this article was gleaned from some of the Web sites.
Salvia divinorum is a perennial herb from both the mint and sage families. It looks like an ordinary plant with no distinctive features and can be successfully grown indoors anywhere with no special equipment. It produces purple flowers when in bloom.
There are many forms of salvia - you may have at least one species in your flower garden - but this kind is not used as a decorative arrangement for the dining room table.
It is native to areas of the Sierra Mazateca region in Oaxaca, Mexico, and can grow to more than three feet tall. It has been used for many years by the Mazatec Indians for religious and healing purposes, yet its origins are not specifically unknown.
Salvia can be chewed or crushed (to make an extract to drink), but is normally dried and smoked; it induces hallucinations with very little use of the product. Its effects can take hold within seconds and last for up to an hour. It is promoted as a “visionary” herb or “teacher plant” designed to enhance “travel down your spiritual path.”
At even moderate doses, according
to some salvia users, you may experience “encounters with beings, entities, spirits; or travels to other ages may occur. You may even live the life of another person.”
At a higher level, users may enter a “befuddled” state of mind. For that reason, “a sitter is essential to ensure the safety of someone voyaging to the inner levels. To the person experiencing this, the phenomenon may be terrifying or exceedingly pleasant.”
At the utmost level, “the individual may fall or remain immobile or thrash around; injuries can be sustained without pain being felt.” The user cannot ever recall what they experience in this very deep trance state.
Depending on the strength, one deep inhalation or “hit” can send you to the highest level possible.
On YouTube, one can even view videos of teenagers who have recorded themselves taking “trips” on salvia.
Some Internet Web sites offer step-by-step instructions for various methods in achieving a “high” and even suggest ways to keep the drug legal.
Creators of the Internet “user's guide” Sage Wisdom admit that salvia is not a party drug like alcohol or marijuana. Instead they categorize it as a “consciousness-changing herb.”
At this time, it is not known exactly how or if the brain is permanently affected by use of the drug. There are no confirmed, documented reports of death.
Their claims are that no suicides have been directly related to salvia use, however, Brett Chidester, a 17-year-old Delaware youth, is suspected of having committed suicide after smoking the drug. Already dealing with depression, his parents remain convinced the hallucinations he experienced had revealed the “secrets” which provoked his death.
Proponents of the drug insist it is not at all like LSD, but says salvia offers a very “unique” experience, like an intense “meditation, yoga or trance” state of mind. Only a small percentage of users (less than 20 percent) compare it to other psychoactives like LSD and PCP.
Salvia supporters say that while the drugs have “comparative potencies,” they are different in that LSD is a “synthesized drug not found in nature, whereas salvinorin occurs naturally in plant form. They also point out that the effects of salvia last “only a few minutes,” while LSD effects can persist for up to 10 hours.
Internet users - regardless of age - can easily find and, if they have access to a credit card, purchase salvia for as little as $15. There is even a “starter package” for less than $50. Any order can be delivered to their doorstep the next day. Most Web sites, however, do “insist” the buyer be at least 18 years of age.
Some purchases of salvia divinorum have been made in larger cities through assorted nature and herb shops. The Wabash Plain Dealer contacted some area herb and smoke shops to see how accessible it is locally.
Rustic Gardens, Roann, Wabash Herb Shop, A-Z Tobacco, Wabash, and Donna's Herb Shop, North Manchester, were all contacted and their owners asked if they carried the herb. All said they had never heard of it. After being told what it was, each said they would not carry it even if it were made available to them.
Recently, the DEA initiated an “Eight Factor Analysis” of salvia divinorum. The analysis must be performed before any substance can be scheduled as a controlled substance. The analysis is expected to take several months to complete.
Is salvia destined to reach Wabash County? Only time will tell.
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Re: Salvia: ‘Seer's Sage' or ‘Devil's Drug'? [Re: figurine]
#7263164 - 08/05/07 05:47 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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"...which could actually mean that parents can learn about a drug targeting our youth - maybe even before our youth know about its existence."
Nope, sorry. You're too late.
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Re: Salvia: ‘Seer's Sage' or ‘Devil's Drug'? [Re: Omni]
#7263182 - 08/05/07 05:56 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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I like how a drug can "target" people............
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Re: Salvia: ‘Seer's Sage' or ‘Devil's Drug'? [Re: Omni]
#7263204 - 08/05/07 06:07 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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haha I was just about to say the same thing 
Its disgusting how tese idiots keep trying to take things away....
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Re: Salvia: ‘Seer's Sage' or ‘Devil's Drug'? [Re: Drone]
#7263236 - 08/05/07 06:22 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Drone said:
I like how a drug can "target" people............
drugs have a mind of their own 
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Re: Salvia: ‘Seer's Sage' or ‘Devil's Drug'? [Re: Drone]
#7263247 - 08/05/07 06:25 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Yes, salvia is out to get our children. Better make it illegal. Anything but alcohol MUST be illegal because of the children. Alcohol, which causes many domestic disputes, drunk driving deaths, birth defects, and poisonings is perfectly acceptable where as salvia is nearly one hundred percent harmless is already illegal in some states and will make it's way to being a federally scheduled substance within the next 10 maybe five years. Salvia has little recreational value and is not addicting AT ALL but since it's not alcohol it is bad and out to get the children. Reporting wasn't that bad in this one. This guy didn't really express any of his opinions on it except at the beginning.
Edited by robbyberto (08/05/07 06:54 PM)
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Re: Salvia: ‘Seer's Sage' or ‘Devil's Drug'? [Re: robbyberto]
#7263444 - 08/05/07 07:19 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
robbyberto said:
Yes, salvia is out to get our children. Better make it illegal. Anything but alcohol MUST be illegal because of the children.
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robbyberto said:
where as salvia is nearly one hundred percent harmless is already illegal in some states and will make it's way to being a federally scheduled substance within the next 10 maybe five years.
No drug is 100% harmless if its used in the wrong way, but the tards that DO do dumb shit on salvia are the reasons for the government looking more into it. You can thank them for that. Read around man, they're in the process of debating whether it should be scheduled as we speak(type). 5 or 10 years? try lower, shouldn't be too long now get ready it's gonna happen....
They can do emergency scheduling just like with MDMA in the 80's, I believe. Which, I consider cheating because they totally would not hear anything the medical community had to say about it because their heads are so full of shit. People in the medical field suggested it be no more than schedule 3, I believe, but look where it is: alongside PCP in schedule 1, does this make any sense?
Edited by mo0nlite_sonata (08/05/07 07:25 PM)
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Re: Salvia: ‘Seer's Sage' or ‘Devil's Drug'? [Re: Omni]
#7263482 - 08/05/07 07:25 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Well, it's physically harmless. If people want to fuck around and make sandwiches while on salvia and post it on youtube then fucking let them. It shouldn't be the governments job to stop those people from being morons. I really think it might end up being a 18 and older drug like tobacco. It should also be up to the state to decide. It keeps the federal government from controlling us a little less. The lesser of two evils.
Edited by robbyberto (08/05/07 07:27 PM)
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Re: Salvia: ‘Seer's Sage' or ‘Devil's Drug'? [Re: robbyberto]
#7263594 - 08/05/07 07:51 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
robbyberto said:
Well, it's physically harmless. If people want to fuck around and make a sandwhich on salvia and post it on youtube then fucking let them. It shouldn't be the governments job to stop those people from being morons. I really think it might end up being a 18 and older drug like tobacco. It should also be up to the state to decide. It keeps the federal government from controlling us a little less. The lesser of two evils.
Yes, kids can be dumb, but making a sandwich and posting it on youtube is hardly the kind of dumb thing I'm referring to. I'm referring to instances such as suicide(see Brett's law:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brett%27s_law) and cases where idiots drive on salvia and wreck, that sort of stuff. As for the 18 and up law, I don't think its gonna happen because the government does not take kindly to anything labeled or advertised as quote "hallucinogenic", which is the case with salvia. Tobacco neither alters you state of mind, nor is "hallucinogenic" therefore cannot be applied to the specific situation. From my experience I don't find Salvia to be totally hallucinogenic as it is being presented as in the media these days(though I'm fairly new to Salvia and there are many who would disagree with me). I am still, however, trying to figure out how alcohol is the only mind-altering substance that is legal despite the fact that it is just as dangerous, if not more dangerous(in my opinion) then some of the substances scheduled. Go figure 
Edited by mo0nlite_sonata (08/05/07 08:01 PM)
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Re: Salvia: ‘Seer's Sage' or ‘Devil's Drug'? [Re: Omni]
#7263667 - 08/05/07 08:09 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Perhaps it is because alcohol is so well rooted in history and tradition. You know people drinking a glass of wine with dinner, getting a drink at the bar with your friends etc....I don't think the government cares in it's citizens well beings. They care about money. Apparently the kick back from the tobacco companies and alcohol companies is good enough to not care about deaths they cause their consumers. Not to mention they won't die until they are older and taxed out so the government doesn't really care if they are dead if they have out lived their taxing potential. Salvia's future illegality baffles me. Brett's law is complete shit. Plenty of people get in fights and kill themselves when they consume alcohol. Politicians are going to make salvia illegal to "protect the children" when in fact they are justing using the protect the children guise to further themselves and their careers and in reality the law will have nothing to do about the (extremely small) harmful potential of salvia.
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Re: Salvia: ‘Seer's Sage' or ‘Devil's Drug'? [Re: robbyberto]
#7263785 - 08/05/07 08:34 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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well said 
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Re: Salvia: ‘Seer's Sage' or ‘Devil's Drug'? [Re: Omni]
#7264810 - 08/06/07 12:40 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Guess all those youtube videos wasn't such a good idea afterall...
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Re: Salvia: ‘Seer's Sage' or ‘Devil's Drug'? [Re: Shroomie McDunk]
#7264950 - 08/06/07 01:40 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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I guess it shouldn't fucking matter. Wait a second, I know it shouldn't matter.
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Re: Salvia: ‘Seer's Sage' or ‘Devil's Drug'? [Re: figurine]
#7265079 - 08/06/07 03:35 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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I've smoked Salvia a few times. It's not a recreational drug. It a deep philosophical drug. It's a make you question the nature of your soul drug. That's they it scares the central authority so much. They don't want us to question or become better people. They want robots that do what they're told and drink and beat their kids.
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Re: Salvia: ‘Seer's Sage' or ‘Devil's Drug'? [Re: Rail_Gun]
#7265089 - 08/06/07 03:53 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Oh bullshit. It's going to become illegal because some fucking moron of a kid kills himself after doing it. They(the people) actually believe it's dangerous. They don't ponder it's effects. It doesn't matter what the effects are. If a drug isn't being sold by a pharmaceutical company or well established in a society(like alcohol and tobacco) it will be illegal eventually if it catches any popularity.
Edited by robbyberto (08/06/07 10:13 AM)
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Re: Salvia: ‘Seer's Sage' or ‘Devil's Drug'? [Re: figurine]
#7265153 - 08/06/07 04:58 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
figurine said:
It has been used for many years by the Mazatec Indians for religious and healing purposes, yet its origins are not specifically unknown.
I assume that what the author of this article meant to say was 'not specifically known' rather than 'unknown'. If that's the case, this is an interesting example of veiled propaganda. Questioning the origin of the plant calls into question its legitimacy as a sacrament for the 'Mazatec Indians'.
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Re: Salvia: ‘Seer's Sage' or ‘Devil's Drug'? [Re: monkeyheaven]
#7265342 - 08/06/07 07:39 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Who hasnt hallucinated on Alcohol? Thats my question.
Hell people hallucinate do to lack of water. And what about hallucinations expierienced from food poisoining?
Stupid as all hell.
Hey kids Old turkey will make you hallucinate.
What I want to know is what Georgie Boy is on? cause id sure love to have some of those world is better than everyone thinks pills.
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Re: Salvia: ‘Seer's Sage' or ‘Devil's Drug'? [Re: downlowfunk]
#7265593 - 08/06/07 09:29 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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i hallucinate like a son of a bitch from sleep deprivation
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Re: Salvia: ‘Seer's Sage' or ‘Devil's Drug'? [Re: robbyberto]
#7265643 - 08/06/07 09:45 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
robbyberto said:
Oh bullshit. It's going to become illegal because some fucking moron of a kid kills himself after doing. They(the people) actually believe it's dangerous. They don't ponder it's effects. It doesn't matter what the effects are. If a drug isn't being used and marketed by a pharmacy or a well established in a society(like alcohol and tobacco) it is going to be illegal.
sad but so fucking true
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Re: Salvia: ‘Seer's Sage' or ‘Devil's Drug'? [Re: robbyberto]
#7265897 - 08/06/07 10:53 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
robbyberto said:
Oh bullshit. It's going to become illegal because some fucking moron of a kid kills himself after doing it.
And the truth is that no one is even 100 % sure if Salvia was the only reason for Brett committing suicide. His alcohol abuse was barely mentioned for story "accuracy purposes" I suppose they had to include it, then the rest of the blame was placed upon the scapegoat: Salvia Divinorum, which just so happens to be in the cross hairs of the DEA. Go Figure. State run media is biased with far too much government influence controlling what makes it to print or airtime. Thats how it been for a long time, and thats probably how its going to continue to be.
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