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 C. duckie
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 Pan subb Vs. pan papi ??
#8700182 - 07/29/08 11:40 PM (4 months, 1 day ago) |
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everything i seem to find says that Panaeolus papillionaceus and panaeolus subbalteatus are basically the same. are they ? are the pan paps smaller on average ? can anyone point me in the direction of some pics of the papillionaceus
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 Alan Rockefeller
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 Re: Pan subb Vs. pan papi ?? [Re: C. duckie]
#8700258 - 07/30/08 12:00 AM (4 months, 1 day ago) |
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Panaeolus subbalteatus expands to convex while P. papilionaceous stays more bell shaped and is a smaller mushroom. P. papilionaceous has appendiculate veil remnants that form a tooth like serrated edge around the cap margin and P. subbalteatus lacks these.
Also P. papilionaceous tends to grow directly from dung while P. subbalteatus can grow from grass or manure piles and does not always fruit right from the dung.
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C. duckie
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okay are panaeolus papilionaceous even active ? i read workman said
" There is a very small possibility of being weakly active. Try looking at the stem base of several specimens for even the slightest hint of bluing. If you find one, dry and save it for later examination. I'd love to see a proven active strain of this species."
what the hell did subbs get to new Yorks border and just decide to stop. you can get them in almost every state around it but you cant find them here.
so basically I'm just looking for smaller subbs that have little white teeth looking things hanging off the cap where the veil was.
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Re: Pan subb Vs. pan papi ?? [Re: C. duckie]
#8701485 - 07/30/08 10:12 AM (4 months, 1 day ago) |
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Many people find subbs in new york, check the search engine. Gary Lincoff found active Gyms in central park.
I don't think you should be looking for P. papilionaceous, but if you find there is no harm in trying them. Probably inactive though.
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C. duckie
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so much jambeld info. the list the shroomery had said you can find only
Conocybe cyanopus
Gymnopilus luteofolius
Gymnopilus validipes
Panaeolus papillionaceus
Psilocybe caerulipes
Psilocybe semilanceata
Psilocybe silvatica
another list that i found not from the shroomery said
Amanita muscaria
Amanita pantherina
Conocybe cyanopus
Gymnopilus liquirita
Gymnopilus luteofolius
Gymnopilus luteus
Gymnopilus spectabilis
Gymnopilus validipes
Panaeolus castaneifolius
Panaeolus fimicola
Panaeolus subbalteatus
Psilocybe retirugis
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Re: Pan subb Vs. pan papi ?? [Re: C. duckie]
#8701694 - 07/30/08 11:20 AM (4 months, 1 day ago) |
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What is the URL of the list at the shroomery that you are using?
Looks like they have an outdated one around somewhere, the updated one is here. I removed all references to Panaeolus papilionaceous except the one in maine and noted there that the activity was doubtful.
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