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 agua
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 What a damned waste!
#8713629 - 08/01/08 07:07 PM (3 months, 28 days ago) |
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I get home and as usual, the first thing I want to do is fan the FC. On close inspection of my casing pan, I notice bright green all around the edges.
I imagined this would happen. I cannot see any way to prevent contamination as long as it is so totally exposed to the air. Don't bother suggesting how to fix this- The whole pan was immediately dumped in a black bag and forwarded to the local trash can.
I don't know what it is everyone who has fruited casings successfully is doing but it doesn't seem to be logical to me that a casing pan would not become contaminated no matter what you do. You have to fan it, you have to mist it-It has to be exposed. If you don't mist it'll dry out; if you don't fan it'll burn up. If you do either of those things you expose it to contamination. Later for casings-I think I'll stick to cakes.
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 Re: What a damned waste! [Re: agua]
#8713643 - 08/01/08 07:12 PM (3 months, 28 days ago) |
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One thing I have learned the hard way is that FAE is absolutely crucial. Im sure i'll get corrected, but i think trich is all about the pasteurization process. Like that is where it would come from, meaning it wasnt properly pasteurized. This hobby can be very testing at times, but the rewards are well worth it.
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Re: What a damned waste! [Re: agua]
#8713650 - 08/01/08 07:16 PM (3 months, 28 days ago) |
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Too true. I think you should have broken your bulk into chunks and tried to get some shroomies out of it from outside. 
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Re: What a damned waste! [Re: Floydseamus]
#8713654 - 08/01/08 07:18 PM (3 months, 28 days ago) |
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playing with the ph helps, trich has trouble getting a foothold in ph balanced casings.
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 Re: What a damned waste! [Re: Floydseamus]
#8713709 - 08/01/08 07:32 PM (3 months, 28 days ago) |
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Well that's the thing; I just don't have the time or the resource to pasteurize anything [I still have no idea HOW or WHAT to pasteurize anyway] and as far as FAE and all the other variables are concerned there's just too much conflicting information on how to do it right. I followed one of the casing teks on here only to be told it's outdated information. Cakes-sure the yield may be comparatively low, but at least you SEE exactly where you are going and know well ahead of investing time and money whether you've done things right or not-I know that as long as a cake is fully colonized, it'll fruit and contamination will not be a problem. To take a perfectly good cake and mutilate it, and then on top of that place it in a competetive environment you have no time to monitor and forcing the poor creature to do twice as much work to survive in... You might as well just chuck the cake in the middle of the woods and find bugs eating it two weeks later.
Yeah it can be testing and I'm soooo pissed right now...
Now that doesn't mean I've given up on casing. Hell naw! What it does mean is that I'm in no hurry to experiment with casings after more than a month of waiting for a cake to colonize.
What I would ask it this though- Rather than colonizing a cake and risk losing it (I've lost three [3]!) Could I 'drip' spore solution on the verm layer and then put the seed soil(Jiffy mix) on top? And since we're toughing on the subject of FAE and pasteurization, I'd sure like to find a decent tek on both subjects. I know this approach may sound twisted, but I'd rather lose a few drops of spore solution than and entire perfectly healthy myce cake...
Thanks.
Edited by agua (08/01/08 07:38 PM)
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Re: What a damned waste! [Re: BrandNewbie]
#8713723 - 08/01/08 07:35 PM (3 months, 28 days ago) |
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Quote:
BrandNewbie said:
Too true. I think you should have broken your bulk into chunks and tried to get some shroomies out of it from outside.
I've no idea what that means...
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Re: What a damned waste! [Re: agua]
#8713743 - 08/01/08 07:40 PM (3 months, 28 days ago) |
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Well your main problem is that you did not pasteurize your bulk substrate the second think is when you inoculate the bulk substrate you are suppose to cover it and put it somewhere dark and let the myco take hold of the substrate you just don't add it to fresh air and sunlight it needs to sit in a Incubator or somewhere dark and warm..
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Re: What a damned waste! [Re: agua]
#8713745 - 08/01/08 07:41 PM (3 months, 28 days ago) |
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Basically what he's saying is turn it into an outdoor grow... Usually if something isnt contamed 2 bad u can bury it slightly VERY slightly under the ground and mama nature takes care of the contams and the shroomies.
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Re: What a damned waste! [Re: Damion5050]
#8713786 - 08/01/08 07:51 PM (3 months, 28 days ago) |
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Quote:
Damion5050 said:
Well your main problem is that you did not pasteurize your bulk substrate the second think is when you inoculate the bulk substrate you are suppose to cover it and put it somewhere dark and let the myco take hold of the substrate you just don't add it to fresh air and sunlight it needs to sit in a Incubator or somewhere dark and warm..
^ what he said. You want the myc to get a GOOD foothold on any nutritional substrate before exposing it to the elements.
UTFSE as far as teks go, you may also want to check your ph.
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Re: What a damned waste! [Re: Damion5050]
#8713826 - 08/01/08 07:58 PM (3 months, 28 days ago) |
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Damion awesome avatar, that is the best, hands down, episode of family guy.... lol 
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Must be I've been smoking to long....
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Re: What a damned waste! [Re: Floydseamus]
#8713890 - 08/01/08 08:15 PM (3 months, 28 days ago) |
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Quote:
Floydseamus said:
Damion awesome avatar, that is the best, hands down, episode of family guy.... lol
Yes that episode was awesome it is to small though because I had to crop it down to size and I could not fit louis in the frame.. He look is great..
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Re: What a damned waste! [Re: Damion5050]
#8715512 - 08/02/08 09:25 AM (3 months, 28 days ago) |
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Agua i understand your frustrations...there are SOOO many posts that give conflicting information.. Best thing is Miracle grow moisture control mixed with verm and pH balanced..When I first stared using casings...it worked every time for like the first 2 months...and then i hit a brick wall..everything i cased ended up contamed..it sucked..just be patient and read...and read some more..and read again..dig for old posts new posts..and look @ any of the teks that the forum moderators have made or posted on..jars are nice cause there easy and really hard to F up...but just keep plugging away...it will happen..
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Re: What a damned waste! [Re: COLDLOGIC]
#8715665 - 08/02/08 10:27 AM (3 months, 28 days ago) |
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I tried growing them years ago when i was like 15, no preventative measures, didn't know to fan or mist, took forever to incubate like 6 weeks for B+, put it into straw without pasteurizing, just microwaved it dry(like an idiot kid). It took 2 months to show signs of contamination, and its my opinion that it happened because of neglect.
I'm trying my second time now, bought presterilized injection bags, and terrariums with already pasteurized substrate.
I know this takes the fun out of it mycology wise, but seems like your more looking for the profits of the fruits, so am I. I'd like to be able to do it the hard way but after failing once, I'd like to have more of an advantage this time 
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