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 Afroshroomerican
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 Efficacy of Peerguardian and like programs.
#8601830 - 07/06/08 06:48 PM (4 months, 15 days ago) |
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Pirating is a fun and economical practice most of us have partaken in. However, the MPAA and RIAA have responded by asking companies to solicit fake (or real) files in order to log the IP addresses of the downloaders. These logs are then forwarded to the downloader's ISP, which is then forced to issue a warning or cancel subscription (depending on the severity of complaints from the **AAs). Legal action may even be taken if requested.
Hence the advent of Peerguardian and other like programs which are designed to block pre-determined IP adresses of "known" spies such as: BayTSP (big one), Media Defender (major purveyor of fake files), and other similar agencies.
But these "pre-determined" ip-blocking programs prompt the question: Are these IP adresses really those used by these agencies; and how do I know that they aren't hiring people form HOME dynamic IP systems to trace individuals as well?
Peerguardian concedes to the fact that it is not foolproof, but it decries inefficacy.
What do you think?
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johnm214
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Re: Efficacy of Peerguardian and like programs. [Re: Afroshroomerican]
#8602713 - 07/06/08 11:49 PM (4 months, 15 days ago) |
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These logs are then forwarded to the downloader's ISP, which is then forced to issue a warning or cancel subscription (depending on the severity of complaints from the **AAs). Legal action may even be taken if requested.
Legal action by who?
And the company isn't forced to send a letter or anything just cuz some copyright holder's rep whines to the ISP.
At most, they would have to follow the safe harbor provisions of the DMCA if they wanted those protections, but that's only if your still providing the resource complained of, and they'd have to send you notice and allow you to counternotice.
They send letters or disconect you cuz they want to, not cuz they have to.
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 Seuss
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Re: Efficacy of Peerguardian and like programs. [Re: Afroshroomerican]
#8603103 - 07/07/08 04:06 AM (4 months, 15 days ago) |
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> What do you think?
I think it is nice to live in a country with an ISP that throws DMCA notices in the trash rather than opening them. It is amazing that law firms waste time and money (I guess they don't, they bill for it, so it makes sense for them at least) sending notices to ISPs that are not under US jurisdiction.
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rod
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Re: Efficacy of Peerguardian and like programs. [Re: Afroshroomerican]
#8604934 - 07/07/08 05:09 PM (4 months, 14 days ago) |
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I don,t really have any way of knowing if PG2, and other such programs
actually fool anyone, but its a easy step to take.
I,ve used it for about 3 years, but once Oink went down I
lost interest in downloading anything.
I was with Verizon for about 7 years, now TWC for 2
years, and I,ve never been treated with a letter from anyone.
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supra
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Re: Efficacy of Peerguardian and like programs. [Re: rod]
#8605182 - 07/07/08 06:15 PM (4 months, 14 days ago) |
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TWC will definitely send one, or forward really, they sent me one, and I had blocking software, PG2 and ipfilter.dat running in uTorrent (though I don't use either pg2 or uTorrent now). It is definitely a false sense of security.
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johnm214
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Re: Efficacy of Peerguardian and like programs. [Re: supra]
#8605669 - 07/07/08 07:59 PM (4 months, 14 days ago) |
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What was the copyrighted work? Some new release? Seems like w/ the movies that's what they hit.
And I doubt peerguardian is effective but who knows. It would seem trivial to get a block of IP addresses through an intermediary and just use them.
How do they get they're IP's anyways? I don't understand how they could figure out who the watchers are, unless they simply watch for fake torrents or something.
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supra
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Re: Efficacy of Peerguardian and like programs. [Re: johnm214]
#8606054 - 07/07/08 09:31 PM (4 months, 14 days ago) |
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Quote:
johnm214 said:
What was the copyrighted work? Some new release? Seems like w/ the movies that's what they hit.
And I doubt peerguardian is effective but who knows. It would seem trivial to get a block of IP addresses through an intermediary and just use them.
How do they get they're IP's anyways? I don't understand how they could figure out who the watchers are, unless they simply watch for fake torrents or something.
Yeah, it was a new release of a movie. Good call. Also, they get the lists from different research im sure, and they do block some legit agencies that do this stuff. But it is really not that hard to get
a) a new ip
b) a proxy, even the MPAA/RIAA could probably figure this out
Not only that, they also know about PG2, for sure, so how hard would it be to circumvent if they want...easy as pie
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Re: Efficacy of Peerguardian and like programs. [Re: johnm214]
#8607034 - 07/08/08 04:20 AM (4 months, 14 days ago) |
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> How do they get they're IP's anyways?
Peer to peer file transfers. Basically you have a large group of people all helping copy a file between themselves. As soon as you get a tiny bit of the file, you turn around and offer it to others while waiting for more tiny bits of the file to arrive. Because clients in the group talk with each other, they know the IP addresses of each other.
The tracker (that keeps track of what is going on, and who is downloading what) hands out IP addresses of people in the swarm (group) to newcomers (to get them started), so even if you haven't downloaded or uploaded a byte of data (from a bad guy), anybody that goes to the tracker can get a list (partial, only 50 or so at a time) of IPs that are participating in the swarm (group).
There is a design process in the works for a new file sharing protocol that will make it almost impossible for peers to identify other peers in the swarm. Payloads (data) will be encrypted and it looks like onion routing (like tor) will be used to transfer data. (In an onion routed network, as the data is routed, the information about where it came from is stripped away like layers of an onion, more or less.)
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