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 ray40cal
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 Sponsors, why
#9273436 - 11/19/08 05:03 PM (3 days, 16 hours ago) |
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Do you charge incredible amounts for some of the items that should be much cheaper. I see a lot of spawn bags with probably just 3 to 5 measily quarts worth of sterilized grain, running for close to 20 bucks.
In my opinion, it would be better to lower the price by 50% at least, because alot of the people on a sight like this would actually buy it, and lots of it. There's tons of people on the shroomery with no pressure cookers, who would love to do grains, but aren't about to pay 20 bicks for a tiny bit. That money can be spent at wal-mart on pressure cookers. I'm not trying to flame, but trying to help lower prices for members and increase profits for sponsors.
I think lots of prices are fair, especially for syringes and prints. There's just some crazy off the wall, incredibly high prices for some stuff. I'm not going to point fingers, but i spent last night browsing all the sponsors for supplies i might need. Hygrometers, impulse sealers, and humidifiers/foggers were incredibly outrageous, and i would never spend that kind of money on those items. The grain prices on some sponsors sites, were also outrageous. I've been having to get my rye shipped in from a friend who lives on the other side of the country. It's just .50 cents a pound from him, and the cost of shipping, yet he can't advertise his prices here because he'll be banned. You should all be ashamed, but at the same time i love you all for contributing to mycology.
I just don't see why you want to cut your profits down to up the price on simple things like that. I dig the prices for spores, agar materials, and empty spawn bags but for real that's all i would buy, and not a lot either. You should all start competing with each other for the best prices, or someone should start posting the best prices per sponsor here on the shroomery because its borderline insulting to have to pay that much.
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Re: Sponsors, why [Re: ray40cal]
#9274342 - 11/19/08 07:20 PM (3 days, 13 hours ago) |
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As far as presterilized products go, the main thing you're paying for is the convenience of someone else doing it for you. You know how long it takes to hydrate/simmer the grain, rinse the grain, get the water content right, PC for the correct amount of time, etc.
The sponsors have to aquire the grains, bags/jars, they had to buy the PC and they put in all of the labor.
Then they have to answer all your email questions before & after the sale, pay the $200 sponsorship fee here and put out a quality product or risk someone trashing them in the forums when they get contams.
Add to that credit card processing and merchant account fees that have to be factored in along with packaging material costs.
If the cost of the grains and bags/jars were the only factor, all the vendors would be selling $2 bags/jars. That isn't the case though. These products don't prepare themselves. There's a lot of time and effort involved that also factors into the cost.
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ray40cal
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Re: Sponsors, why [Re: FooMan]
#9274505 - 11/19/08 07:41 PM (3 days, 13 hours ago) |
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I could prepare several jars of sterilized grain for less than 5 dollars. That's all i'm sayin. 20 bucks for 3 quarts of substrate is rediculous no matter how you look at it. They'll sell a single quart for over 15 dollars with some sponsors, and that's insulting to anyone. All i'm trying to say, aside from the obviouse insultive prices, is that wbs and rye are so fuggin cheap, the vendors would gain more profits out of cutting the prices down because people will actually want to buy a lot of their grain products. I'm a fairly experienced cultivator, and would still be willing to pay a few dollars plus shipping for some pre-sterilized grain spawn bags. Yet they want 20, not including shipping. I tell you i'd buy a ton of those bags if they are reliable, but the price is just too high for any rationality. A quart jar of sterilized wbs should never cost 17 dollars, plain and simple. It's stupid, and kills profits. There are some complete idiots, or people who just cant afford pressure cookers, who might pay that much. The thing is, you can find a big ass pressure cooker for 20 or less at a thrift shop. I have two. This is where my customerity comes in, i do not have an impulse sealer, and don't really trust tape to seal up a spawn bag. It would be nice to mess with pre-sealed, not even sterilized (god they'd be nasty though) spawn bags for about 5 bucks a piece tops, minus shipping because i'd order like 20 of them, untill i could afford an impulse sealer. Impulse sealers cost a fuck ton of money, while grain is cheap, but people are monopolizing on that fact and it angers me, and probably costs them in profit. It's rediculous.
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Re: Sponsors, why [Re: ray40cal]
#9275559 - 11/19/08 10:33 PM (3 days, 10 hours ago) |
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you realize that the reason they are more expensive is because they have to pay someone to do the work, right? the majority of the cost of anything isn't the materials that are required to make something, it is for the wages they pay someone to do it. yeah, it cost you less than 5 dollars to do it yourself, but say you earn $10 an hour and the time it takes to prepare and autoclave something will easily reach $20. get it?
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J3illy
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Re: Sponsors, why [Re: CantiSama]
#9275665 - 11/19/08 10:46 PM (3 days, 10 hours ago) |
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I really don't think it's anything to be upset about, when you think about everything involved. Where are you seeing $20 bags? I just recently got 5 TMS bags [$45], and 2 SW syringes [$15], and it cost me less than $75 w/ shipping.
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Re: Sponsors, why [Re: J3illy]
#9275716 - 11/19/08 10:52 PM (3 days, 10 hours ago) |
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you're paying for convenience.
Either you do the work yourself (less Money $) or you pay someone else to do it for you (More Money $$$).
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ray40cal
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Quote:
CantiSama said:
you realize that the reason they are more expensive is because they have to pay someone to do the work, right? the majority of the cost of anything isn't the materials that are required to make something, it is for the wages they pay someone to do it. yeah, it cost you less than 5 dollars to do it yourself, but say you earn $10 an hour and the time it takes to prepare and autoclave something will easily reach $20. get it?
Thats a good point. I'm just ticked because i can't afford an impulse sealer, so im trying to con sponsors into lowering prices on stuff. You phukt everything up by using logic.
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Re: Sponsors, why [Re: ray40cal]
#9276428 - 11/20/08 12:59 AM (3 days, 8 hours ago) |
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It is business. IF they wanted to make XXXX amount profit this month, and they wanted to make lets say 4 dollars profit per rye bag as opposed to their usual 16 like you are suggesting, well they would have to sell 4 times as many bags and do 4 times the work. It is enough work as it is. I know the price is steep but the fact is, enough people are paying that price so the sponsors can continue selling a smaller amount to get by.
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J3illy
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Re: Sponsors, why [Re: ray40cal]
#9276656 - 11/20/08 02:06 AM (3 days, 7 hours ago) |
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Quote:
ray40cal said:
I'm just ticked because i can't afford an impulse sealer, so im trying to con sponsors into lowering prices on stuff. You phukt everything up by using logic.
Did you see the link I posted in the thread you made - for the 8" sealer for $25? That would be perfect for Mycobags.
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Re: Sponsors, why [Re: FooMan]
#9279545 - 11/20/08 03:51 PM (2 days, 17 hours ago) |
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Paying $50 for grain bags and a bulk substrate that translates into 1-2 oz of dried shrooms (conservatively) hardly translates into a bad deal in my opinion. Sure, you could do it for less, but whether the time, inconvenience, and investment in equipment required are worth it is entirely up to you.
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tripchip
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Quote:
CantiSama said:
you realize that the reason they are more expensive is because they have to pay someone to do the work, right? the majority of the cost of anything isn't the materials that are required to make something, it is for the wages they pay someone to do it. yeah, it cost you less than 5 dollars to do it yourself, but say you earn $10 an hour and the time it takes to prepare and autoclave something will easily reach $20. get it?
i doubt they have people working for them. why would I have someone come over and then pay then 10 bucks an hour to make up some spawn bags for me? I know graham from mycopath does everything himself. If they paid someone to make the bags they wouldnt make money.
I agree with the OP actually. I dont buy from sponsors because of prices. I can gather all the ingredients to make the stuff.
If I was a sponsor I would charge about the same price though because I wouldnt want to spend my life sterilizing rye and wbs all the time. They would be doing it around the clock if they had tons of orders. PLUS you gotta think about the costs like someone else mentioned above and actually they didnt throw in the cost of gas or electicity to power the PC. I mean it all adds up. Bottom line is, if you DONT want to do it yourself then you must pay to have it done for you.
If sponsor had some extra time or slow business it would be cool to have them do a rye special now and again. Plus who knows maybe they will make them take advantage of the fact they are already paying shipping and handling for the bags so they will throw a few other items in the cart :-)
I seriously think that one day I am going to be a shroomery sponsor. They will all fear me! I will monopolize!! muhahaha
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Re: Sponsors, why [Re: tripchip]
#9284505 - 11/21/08 10:58 AM (1 day, 22 hours ago) |
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tripchip said:
i doubt they have people working for them. why would I have someone come over and then pay then 10 bucks an hour to make up some spawn bags for me? I know graham from mycopath does everything himself. If they paid someone to make the bags they wouldnt make money.
he pays himself to do it, doesn't he? so you're saying he should work for free? that is silly. its all price/wage theory. if you folks want them to drop prices too low then it probably wont be worth their time and effort to even deal with this.
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Re: Sponsors, why [Re: tripchip]
#9284529 - 11/21/08 11:02 AM (1 day, 22 hours ago) |
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tripchip said:
I seriously think that one day I am going to be a shroomery sponsor.
Go for it... you will soon realize just why businesses charge money for services and goods.
Say you are 10x cheaper... that's awesome! What happens when your workload becomes so high, you can't possibly fill the orders?
You raise the price until demand becomes managable.
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johnm214
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The whole thing is silly.
The fact that this thread even exists means that the prices aren't too crazy, as otherwise nobody would care and would aquire the stuff themselves. There are people that want things the sponsors sell but apparently don't like their prices and therefore don't have such products. If the prices were so outrageous the person would get the stuff themselves. They must not want to spend the time fucking around steriliing things or hauling shit around and getting it all over thier place.
This is capitalism. If you don't want to buy it dont. Then the seller will lower their price.
The fact that people comment on the fact someone doesn't have someone working for them is silly.
What the fuck do I care if I work 8 hours and get 80$ from my employer or if I work 8 and make that myself? Am I going to quit my job making 10$/hr payable by a company to make 9 dollars an hour payable by me? No, money is money no matter who writes the check.
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Re: Sponsors, why [Re: ray40cal]
#9296020 - 11/23/08 05:33 AM (3 hours, 42 minutes ago) |
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ray40cal said:
Thats a good point. I'm just ticked because i can't afford an impulse sealer, so im trying to con sponsors into lowering prices on stuff. You phukt everything up by using logic.
You don't need an impulse sealer. Tie wire or tape works fine and you can reuse the bags that way.
I'd love to see you try and run a company with such low prices. You'll see that overheads are huge once you have to start producing commercially and would end up going broke or increasing prices.
Standard business practice is to factor in the cost of producing an item (materials, worktime, etc) and double the price. It is the only way to make it worth while. A website costs money, processing costs money, time and materials cost money, taxman (if you are going legit) costs money, returns and reshippings cost money.
Once you run your own business for the first time you will realize all of this.
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Re: Sponsors, why [Re: Nibin]
#9296408 - 11/23/08 09:10 AM (5 minutes, 31 seconds ago) |
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