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    #8459420 - 05/29/08 12:00 PM (6 months, 11 hours ago)

Interested to hear the responses to a piece on bias in the press I saw recently:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/05/29/yellin/index.html
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Glenn Greenwald
Thursday May 29, 2008 06:03 EDT
CNN/ABC reporter: Corporate executives forced pro-Bush, pro-war narrative

(updated below)

Jessica Yellin -- currently a CNN correspondent who covered the White House for ABC News and MSNBC in 2002 and 2003 -- was on with Anderson Cooper last night discussing Scott McClellan's book, and made one of the most significant admissions heard on television in quite some time:

JESSICA YELLIN, CNN CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT: I think the press corps dropped the ball at the beginning. When the lead-up to the war began, the press corps was under enormous pressure from corporate executives, frankly, to make sure that this was a war that was presented in a way that was consistent with the patriotic fever in the nation and the president's high approval ratings.

And my own experience at the White House was that, the higher the president's approval ratings, the more pressure I had from news executives -- and I was not at this network at the time -- but the more pressure I had from news executives to put on positive stories about the president.

I think, over time...

(CROSSTALK)

COOPER: You had pressure from news executives to put on positive stories about the president?

YELLIN: Not in that exact -- they wouldn't say it in that way, but they would edit my pieces. They would push me in different directions. They would turn down stories that were more critical and try to put on pieces that were more positive, yes. That was my experience.

The video of that exchange is here.

Yellin's admission is but the latest in a growing mountain of evidence demonstrating that corporate executives forced their news reporters to propagandize in favor of the Bush administration and the war, and censored stories that were critical of the Government. Katie Couric yesterday said that threats from the White House and accusations of being unpatriotic coerced the media into suppressing its questioning of the war. But last September, Couric revealed even more specifically the type of pressure that was put on her by NBC executives to refrain from criticizing the administration, after she conducted a "tough interview" with Condoleezza Rice:

After the interview, Couric said she received an email from an NBC exec "forwarded without explanation" from a viewer who wrote that she had been "unnecessarily confrontational."

"I think there was a lot of undercurrent of pressure not to rock the boat for a variety of reasons, where it was corporate reasons or other considerations," she said in an interview with former journalist and author Marvin Kalb during "The Kalb Report" forum at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C.

In April of 2003, then-MSNBC star Ashleigh Banfield delivered a speech at Kansas State University and said that American news coverage of the Iraq war attracted high ratings but "wasn't journalism," because "there are horrors that were completely left out of this war." She added, echoing Couric:

The other thing is that so many voices were silent in this war. We all know what happened to Susan Sarandon for speaking out, and her husband, and we all know that this is not the way Americans truly want to be. Free speech is a wonderful thing, it's what we fight for, but the minute it's unpalatable we fight against it for some reason.

That just seems to be a trend of late, and l am worried that it may be a reflection of what the news was and how the news coverage was coming across. . . . I think there were a lot of dissenting voices before this war about the horrors of war, but I'm very concerned about this three-week TV show and how it may have changed people's opinions. It was very sanitized.

Shortly thereafter, Banfield was demoted, then fired altogether, and -- as Digby put it in her great analysis of Banfield's speech -- "she's now a co-anchor on a Court TV show."

At the same time, MSNBC fired the only real war opponent it had, Phil Donahue, despite very healthy ratings (the highest of any show on MSNBC, including "Hardball"). When interviewed for Bill Moyers' truly superb 2007 documentary on press behavior in the run-up to the war, Donahue reported much the same thing as Yellin, Couric, and Banfield revealed:

BILL MOYERS: You had Scott Ritter, former weapons inspector. Who was saying that if we invade, it will be a historic blunder.

PHIL DONOHUE: You didn't have him alone. He had to be there with someone else who supported the war. In other words, you couldn't have Scott Ritter alone. You could have Richard Perle alone.

BILL MOYERS: You could have the conservative.

PHIL DONOHUE: You could have the supporters of the President alone. And they would say why this war is important. You couldn't have a dissenter alone. Our producers were instructed to feature two conservatives for every liberal.

BILL MOYERS: You're kidding.

PHIL DONOHUE: No this is absolutely true.

BILL MOYERS: Instructed from above?

PHIL DONOHUE: Yes. I was counted as two liberals.

A leaked memo from NBC executives at the time of his firing made clear that Donahue was fired for ideological reasons, not due to ratings:

The study went on to claim that Donahue presented a "difficult public face for NBC in a time of war . . . . He seems to delight in presenting guests who are anti-war, anti-Bush and skeptical of the administration's motives." The report went on to outline a possible nightmare scenario where the show becomes "a home for the liberal antiwar agenda at the same time that our competitors are waving the flag at every opportunity."

NBC executives then proceeded to hire Dick Armey as an MSNBC commentator and give a show to Michael Savage. Michael Savage.

This is nothing less than compelling evidence that, in terms of our establishment press, our media is anything but "free." Corporate executives continuously suppressed critical reporting of the Government and the war and forced their paid reporters to mimic the administration line. The evidence proving that comes not from media critics or shrill left-wing bloggers but from those who work at these news outlets, including some of their best-known and highest-paid journalists who are attesting to such facts from first-hand knowledge despite its being in their interests not to speak out about such things.

* * * * *

Yesterday was actually quite an extraordinary day in our political culture because Scott McClellan's revelations forced the establishment media to defend themselves against long-standing accusations of their corruption and annexation by the government -- criticisms which, until yesterday, they literally just ignored, blacked-out, and suppressed. Bizarrely enough, it took a "tell-all" Washington book from Scott McClellan, of all people, to force these issues out into the open, and he seems -- unwittingly or otherwise -- to have opened a huge flood gate that has long been held tightly shut.

Network executives obviously know that these revelations are quite threatening to their brand. Yesterday, they wheeled out their full stable of multi-millionaire corporate stars who play the role of authoritative journalists on the TV to join with their White House allies in mocking and deriding McClellan's claims. One media star after the next -- Tom Brokaw, David Gregory, Charlie Gibson and Brian Williams, Tim Russert, Wolf Blitzer -- materialized in sync to insist that nothing could be more absurd than the suggestion that they are "deferential, complicit enablers" in government propaganda.

I have little doubt that they would be telling the truth if they denied what Yellin reported last night. People like Williams, Gibson and Gregory don't need to be told to refrain from reporting critically about the war and the White House because challenging Government claims isn't what they do. And amazingly, they admitted that explicitly yesterday. Gibson and Gregory both invoked the cliched excuse of the low-level bureaucrat using almost identical language: exposing government lies "is not our job."

Brian Williams, Charlie Gibson and company are paid to play the role of TV reporters but, in reality, are mere television emcees -- far more akin to circus ringleaders than journalists. It's just as simple as that. David Halberstam pointed that out some time ago. Unlike Yellin, Donahue and Banfield, nobody needed to pressure the likes of Williams, Gibson and Russert to serve as propaganda handmaidens for the White House. It's what they do quite eagerly on their own, which is precisely why they're in the corporate positions they're in. They are smooth, undisruptive personalities who don't create problems for their executives. Watching them finally describe how they perceive of "their role" leaves no doubt about any of that.

* * * * *

This is the most vital point: this is not a matter of mere historical interest. This is not about how the media operated five years ago during an aberrational time in our history. This is about how they functioned then and how they function now. The same people who did all of this still run these media organizations and it's the same coddled, made-up personalities still playing the role of "journalist."

That's what makes the NYT "military analyst" story so significant, and it's why it's so revealing that the establishment media black-out of that story continues. Not just in 2003, but through 2008, the networks relied upon Pentagon-controlled propagandists to masquerade as their "independent analysts." Those analysts repeatedly spouted patently false government propaganda without challenge. The numerous financial incentives and ideological ties these analysts had were concealed. And these networks, now that this is all revealed and even with multiple investigations underway, still refuse to tell their viewers about any of it.

Clearly, if these network media stars think they did nothing wrong in the run-up to the war and in their coverage of the Bush administration -- and they don't -- then it's only logical to conclude that they still do the same things and will do the same things in the future. As people like Jessica Yellin, Katie Couric, Phil Donahue and Scott McClellan are making clear, these media outlets are controlled propaganda arms of the Government, of the political establishment generally. For many people, that isn't a new revelation, but the fact that it's becoming clearer by the day -- from unimpeachable sources on the inside -- is nonetheless quite significant.

UPDATE: The central excuse offered by self-defending "journalists" is that they didn't present an anti-war case because nobody was making that case, and it's not their job to create debate. This unbelievably rotted view found its most darkly hilarious expression in a 2007 David Ignatius column in The Washington Post. After explaining how proud he is of his support for the attack on Iraq, Igantius explains why there wasn't much challenge made to the Administration's case for war (h/t Ivan Carterr):

In a sense, the media were victims of their own professionalism. Because there was little criticism of the war from prominent Democrats and foreign policy analysts, journalistic rules meant we shouldn't create a debate on our own. And because major news organizations knew the war was coming, we spent a lot of energy in the last three months before the war preparing to cover it.

They were "victims of their own professionalism." It's not up to them to create a debate where none exists. That's the same thing Charlie Gibson, David Gregory, and Tim Russert -- among others -- have all said in defending themselves.

The idea that journalists only convey statements from politicians rather than "create debates" is the classic Stenographic Model of "Journalism" -- "we just write down what people say. It's not our job to do anything else." Real reporting is about uncovering facts that the political elite try to conceal, not ones they willingly broadcast. It's about investigating and exposing -- not mindlessly amplifying -- the falsehoods and deceit of government claims. But our modern "journalists" (with some noble exceptions) don't do that not only because they can't do it, but also because they don't think it's their job. That's because, by definition, they're not journalists.

But beyond that, this claim is just categorically, demonstrably false. As Eric Boehlert and Atrios both demonstrated yesterday, Ted Kennedy in September, 2002 "delivered a passionate, provocative, and newsworthy speech raising all sorts of doubts about a possible invasion." Moreover, Al Gore (the prior presidential nominee of the Democratic Party) and Howard Dean (the 2003 Democratic presidential frontrunner) were both emphatically speaking out against the war.

Thus, three of the most influential voices in the Democratic Party -- arguably the three most influential at the time -- were vehemently opposing the war. People were protesting in the streets by the hundreds of thousands inside the U.S. and around the world. In the world as perceived by the insulated, out-of-touch and establishment-worshiping likes of David Ignatius, Brian Williams, David Gregory, and Charlie Gibson, there may not have been a debate over whether we should attack Iraq. But there nonetheless was a debate. They ignored it and silenced it because their jobs didn't permit them to highlight those questions. Ask Jessica Yellin. She'll tell you. She just did last night.





You can follow the top link for videos and other references - many of the links are more interesting than the opinion piece itself.

Here's a summary:
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corporate executives forced their news reporters to propagandize in favor of the Bush administration and the war, and censored stories that were critical of the Government.




Liberal bias?


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Re: MSM Bias [Re: phi1618]
    #8459468 - 05/29/08 12:17 PM (6 months, 11 hours ago)

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You can follow the top link for videos and other references - many of the links are more interesting than the opinion piece itself.




And which link would that be?



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Re: MSM Bias [Re: phi1618]
    #8459665 - 05/29/08 01:23 PM (6 months, 10 hours ago)

http://www.politico.com/blogs/michaelcalderone/0508/CNNs_Yellin_Network_execs_killed_critical_White_House_stories_.html

is this your link?



"Yellin went much further, revealing that news executives — presumably at ABC News, where she'd worked from July 2003 to August 2007 — actively pushed her not do hard-hitting pieces on the Bush administration."


"actively pushed her not do hard-hitting pieces on the Bush administration."



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Re: MSM Bias [Re: Phred]
    #8459779 - 05/29/08 01:59 PM (6 months, 9 hours ago)

Oops - missed posting the link! :blush:

Sorry about that - here it is:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/05/29/yellin/index.html
I'll also edit my original post to include it, for convenience.


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    #8459819 - 05/29/08 02:10 PM (6 months, 9 hours ago)

Read the article I posted -
he mentions Yellin, Kouric "Katie Couric yesterday said that threats from the White House and accusations of being unpatriotic coerced the media into suppressing its questioning of the war.", Ashleigh Banfield '...said that American news coverage of the Iraq war attracted high ratings but "wasn't journalism," because "there are horrors that were completely left out of this war."', Phil Donahue "You could have the supporters of the President alone. And they would say why this war is important. You couldn't have a dissenter alone. Our producers were instructed to feature two conservatives for every liberal.", an internal NBC memo about Donahue "Donahue presented a "difficult public face for NBC in a time of war . . . . He seems to delight in presenting guests who are anti-war, anti-Bush and skeptical of the administration's motives."", etc.

The point about "liberal media bias" has been repeated often with little real evidence presented (the only point that comes to mind is that party tends to be mentioned in news articles more often in relation to a Republican politician than a Democrat), but here we have significant evidence and testimony from involved people - Scott McClellan, the journalists mentioned above, the recent Times article about the use of interested military propagandists as "independent analysts", etc. - that in serious, significant ways there is now a pro-government, pro-military bias in the mainstream news.


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    #8459852 - 05/29/08 02:19 PM (6 months, 9 hours ago)

Okay, first of all this is an opinion piece from infamous sockpuppetmaster Glenn Greenwald, one of the most dishonest Bush-bashing op-ed commentators on the internet, so right from the get go you know the piece is going to be totally biased. Next, it's published in Salon.com, again one of the most Leftie Bush-bashing websites out there.

Finally, the "evidence" Greenwald links to is far from compelling. It mainly consists of opinions of more Libbies.

I understand that no matter how many studies and reports and analyses anyone presents here of the Libbie bias of the MSM, you will contest it. That's okay, we get it, you yourself are a Libbie and hence incapable of recognizing blatant Libbie bias when it's all around you. It's like people from a certain region not noticing their own accent.




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    #8459861 - 05/29/08 02:22 PM (6 months, 9 hours ago)

Whoops... missed this part...

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...in serious, significant ways there is now a pro-government, pro-military bias in the mainstream news.




You can't possibly be serious. Are you trolling for effect?

It's bad enough trying to claim there is no Libbie bias in the MSM, but to try to claim there is a pro-government, pro-military bias in the MSM is so far beyond the pale that words fail me.





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Re: MSM Bias [Re: Phred]
    #8460068 - 05/29/08 03:20 PM (6 months, 8 hours ago)

Wow it's nice to see we have a neocon moderating the poltical section on what should be a free-thinking forum...

The pro-government pro-administration pro-military industrial complex nature of the MSM is obvious to anyone who isn't completely blinded by the propaganda machine.

First just look who is on the boards of these corporations and it becomes quite apparent power is consolidated quite well the higher you climb.

The same corporation that is giving you 'unbiased' information is also producing nuclear power plants and getting defense contracts? hmmm

Just google "who owns the media"

Corporate media taking orders from our administration is using fear tactics. They scared us to support a unjust war. They scared us into giving up civil liberties. And they will scare us into accepting martial law.

The patriot act says anyone can be held without trial for just being SUSPECTED a terrorist. Google Rex 84.


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    #8460148 - 05/29/08 03:40 PM (6 months, 7 hours ago)

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c0sm0nautt said:
Wow it's nice to see we have a neocon moderating the poltical section on what should be a free-thinking forum...

The pro-government pro-administration pro-military industrial complex nature of the MSM is obvious to anyone who isn't completely blinded by the propaganda machine.

Just google "who owns the media"






WOW!

i googled "who owns the media" and it came back with the those Evil Jooooooos....


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Re: MSM Bias [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #8460151 - 05/29/08 03:42 PM (6 months, 7 hours ago)

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The pro-government pro-administration pro-military industrial complex nature of the MSM is obvious to anyone who isn't completely blinded by the propaganda machine.




Just because main stream media is right of noam chomsky doest make them pro-administration pro-military at all.

Saying anyone who doesnt believe what you do is 'blinded by the propaganda machine' makes you look like a stupid teenager.


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    #8460168 - 05/29/08 03:46 PM (6 months, 7 hours ago)

You must not be as interweb savvy as me.

Here you go: http://www.thenation.com/special/bigten.html


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    #8460174 - 05/29/08 03:47 PM (6 months, 7 hours ago)

The funny thing is stupid teenagers who make use of the internet(the only source of true, unbiased info) usually have a better geopolitical bearing then their parents!


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    #8460751 - 05/29/08 05:46 PM (6 months, 5 hours ago)

Who's Scott McClellan? A Libbie?
And the executives at NBC who decided that "Donahue presented a difficult public face for NBC in a time of war . . . . He seems to delight in presenting guests who are anti-war, anti-Bush and skeptical of the administration's motives."? Libbie moon-bat gibberish if I ever heard it.

Dismissing any viewpoint you don't already agree with on the basis that you disagree with the viewpoint of the person presenting it doesn't lead to a productive conversation.


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    #8461111 - 05/29/08 07:12 PM (6 months, 4 hours ago)

To determine whether the mainstream (corporate) media has a bias in favor of U.S. militarism & imperialism one need only read a few statement from the man formerly alleged to be the poster-child of the "liberal media":

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“George Bush is the president. He makes the decisions, and, you know, it’s just one American, wherever he wants me to line up, just tell me where, and he’ll make the call.”

"And then when the war first started, early in October, you know, when there’s doubt to be given, we should give the military those doubts.”

“I don’t think you can be too patriotic; when in doubt, I would much prefer to err on the side of too much patriotism as opposed to too little,”

“The whole country is right in saying, look, whatever arguments one may or may not have had with George Bush the younger before September 11, he is our commander-in-chief, he’s the man now. And we need unity, we need steadiness. I’m not preaching about it. We all know this.”

“And, you know, I’m of the belief that you can have only one commander-in-chief at a time, only one president at a time. President Bush is our president. Whatever he decides vis-a-vis war or peace in Iraq is what we will do as a country. And I for one will swing in behind him as a citizen … and support whatever his decision is.”

“I’m an American, and I’m an American reporter. And yes, when there’s combat involving Americans -- criticize me if you must, damn me if you must, but -- I’m always pulling for us to win.”

all quotations from Dan Rather

Dan Rather and the problem with patriotism: Steps toward the redemption of American journalism and democracy

by Robert Jensen

http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~rjensen/freelance/attack41.htm




A reporter... one committed to doing the job of a top-notch, unbiased journalist working to inform their audience objectively about the perspective from all sides of a story... must believe what Eugene V. Debs said when he proclaimed, “I have no country to fight for; my country is the earth, and I am a citizen of the world.” Otherwise, that "journalist" is merely a propagandist.

Given that the mainstream media is owned by the same companies (whether directly or indirectly) that profit immensely from situations around the world established and/or maintained to at least some degree by U.S. militarism, it should come as no surprise towards which way their bias leans. Because many on the right (in the U.S. anyway) have a physiological and/or religious need to feel that they are a persecuted minority, they can't often comprehend when others in their same society share fundamentally the same worldview & have the same fundamental interests (profits & power at any cost) as they do. They also belief in the false Democratic/Republican that exists to make tens of millions of U.S. citizens belief that they really live in a democracy.

To test whether their is really an "anti-American, anti-war, anti-imperialist, etc." bias in the mainstream media, one should not look at whether they endorse establishment Republicans or Democrats in virtually meaningless elections (which doesn't really matter as far as the whole of the world is concerned... they tend to support the latter due to not sharing the theocratic views of many of the former), but how they cover (if they cover at all) events, people & social movements that seriously challenge the system which they (corporations) are the dominant international power; that is, neoliberal 'globalization'. If one gets beyond the fake Democrat/Republican divide & looks into this, then the interests & role of the mainstream media is very clear. To provide a few global examples to illustrate this:

1. In Venezuela & Bolivia, the two most prominent examples of anti-neoliberal 'globalization' leaders coming to power due to massive social movements of the poor & indigenous populations against their exploitation & marginalization at the hands of domestic oligarchies & foreign economic interests, how has the mainstream media covered these movements for progressive social, economic & environmental change?

2. In Mexico in the last election where (U.S.-backed) Calderon came to power amid massive corruption to steal the election from the leftist former mayor of Mexico city, how did the mainstream media cover this?

3. Compare the numbers of times in the mainstream media that issues regarding Starbucks as a profit-seeking corporate entity have been printed/reported from the perspective of the company to the number of times that the conditions of the farmers & workers who grow & sort through the coffee beans in places like Ethiopia that their companies use for their staple product have been referenced.

4. Review the number of times that the conditions of textile workers have been featured & seriously discussed with provocative commentary, or even without any commentary.

5. Review the number of times that Coca-Cola's environmental practices in India or labor practices in Colombia have been discussed.

6. Review the number of times that the health effects on the rural population (which include cancer & birth defects) from aerial fumigations (chemicals courtesy of the Dow Chemical Corporation) carried out under "Plan Colombia" have been discussed in a provocative manner... or at all, for that matter.

7. Count the number of times the the true message of Martin Luther King, Jr. has been featured, the one who said that "The problem of racism, the problem of economic exploitation, and the problem of war are all tied together. These are the triple evils that are interrelated."

8. Count the number of times that the military-industrial complex has been discussed.

9. Count the number of times stories have been featured or people have been interviewed to discuss U.S. subversion of democracy around the world throughout its history & still today, especially in Latin America.

10. Count how many times the apartheid conditions that Palestinians live under has been discussed in light of statements made by giants of the anti-apartheid movements in South Africa like Nelson Mandela & the Bishop Desmond Tutu.


It is not simply that they would offend many of their sponsors by doing so (which they of course would), or even that they would offend their owners (which they also would do)... the former & latter being one in the same; if not officially then for all practical purposes. The problem for them with doing any of the above is that they would be challenging the very system that is the source of their enormous power & wealth (obtained & maintaining to the detriment of the majority of the world's population), which is something that rational, profit-seeking people do not do.



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Re: MSM Bias [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #8461205 - 05/29/08 07:44 PM (6 months, 3 hours ago)

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Hidden behind that appearance of objectivity, though, is a Pentagon information apparatus that has used those analysts in a campaign to generate favorable news coverage of the administration’s wartime performance, an examination by The New York Times has found.




http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/20/washington/20generals.html?_r=1&ref=washington&oref=slogin


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Re: MSM Bias [Re: phi1618]
    #8461437 - 05/29/08 08:36 PM (6 months, 3 hours ago)

Your problem is the way you undermine your own credibility by refusing to even consider the possibility that the MSM has a Libby bias.

No matter how much evidence anyone presents to you, you will pipe up with some non sequitur about some guy who once worked for a Republican politician making a disparaging comment about conservatives on an MSM opinion show one night, or how some network executive made some off the cuff comment once after a few martinis that could be taken to be vaguely neutral about the dreaded Karl Rove, while ignoring mountains of evidence that goes out over the airwaves every night of the year.

Apart from the fact that every single study from even remotely credible sources has shown the Libbie bias over and over again, without exception, all one need do is read the papers and magazines and watch the network and cable news shows. It's so in-your-face obvious to anyone not already completely in the tank for the Libs that it's a waste of time even thinking about it. Yeah, it's frustrating and unfair and infuriating, but whaddya gonna do? The MSM has been Libby for at least as long as I've been alive, and it will remain that way for probably at least as long as you're alive. One adapts and gets on with one's life. What else is there to do?



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Re: MSM Bias [Re: Phred]
    #8461582 - 05/29/08 09:10 PM (6 months, 2 hours ago)

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I understand that no matter how many studies and reports and analyses anyone presents here of the Libbie bias of the MSM, you will contest it. That's okay, we get it, you yourself are a Libbie and hence incapable of recognizing blatant Libbie bias when it's all around you. It's like people from a certain region not noticing their own accent.





First off, there's a big difference between leaning liberal and writing biased stories. One does not imply the other. The more educated you are, the more likely you are to identify as "liberal", partly because you're more likely to be smart enough to see beyond the Republican idiocy and partly because anti-intellectualism has been a driving force of the Conservative movement since Nixon. When you label people smart enough to not drool on themselves elitists, you can't expect to receive much support amongst the educated classes.

And while reporters may identify themselves as liberals, it's not reporters who choose what stories to cover or who have the final word over what gets published. Historians studying the Bush period will almost certainly be shocked by the way in which Republicans seized control of the media narrative; it wasn't until 2005-2006, especially in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, that they began to lose it because everyone whose head wasn't shoved so far up their ass they could see their food get swallowed realized the Republicans were incompetent fools and serial liars.


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Re: MSM Bias [Re: Yossarian22]
    #8461633 - 05/29/08 09:21 PM (6 months, 2 hours ago)

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The more educated you are, the more likely you are to identify as "liberal", partly because you're more likely to be smart enough to see... blah blah blah




Oh, right. Keith Olbermann, Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden... towering intellects, all.

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And while reporters may identify themselves as liberals, it's not reporters who choose what stories to cover or who have the final word over what gets published




What's your point? The editorial boards of the major MSM players are far more Libbie than even their reporters, duh! Editors are journalists too, ya know.

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Historians studying the Bush period will almost certainly be shocked by the way in which Republicans seized control of the media narrative...




Put down the crack pipe and back away slowly, bro. Republicans seized control of the media narrative? Suuuuuuure they did, Sparky, suuuuuuure they did.





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Re: MSM Bias [Re: Phred]
    #8461649 - 05/29/08 09:26 PM (6 months, 2 hours ago)

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Phred said:
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The more educated you are, the more likely you are to identify as "liberal", partly because you're more likely to be smart enough to see... blah blah blah




Oh, right. Keith Olbermann, Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden... towering intellects, all.

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And while reporters may identify themselves as liberals, it's not reporters who choose what stories to cover or who have the final word over what gets published




What's your point? The editorial boards of the major MSM players are far more Libbie than even their reporters, duh! Editors are journalists too, ya know.

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Historians studying the Bush period will almost certainly be shocked by the way in which Republicans seized control of the media narrative...




Put down the crack pipe and back away slowly, bro. Republicans seized control of the media narrative? Suuuuuuure they did, Sparky, suuuuuuure they did




And yet more substanceless condescending bullshit. When you're actually able to make or support an argument, let me know and I'll take you seriously. Until then, why don't you go and rant about how the LIEberal media's trying to silence the truth on global warming or whatever it is you towering intellects do.


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Re: MSM Bias [Re: phi1618]
    #8462166 - 05/29/08 11:40 PM (5 months, 30 days ago)

this is why I think the liberal/conservative tarpit is a red herring.

it's not a particular political bias anymore, it's corporate bias.

they bought the echo chamber and they are using it to their ends.


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