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Sam Stein
The Huffington Post
May 21, 2008


John Hagee, the controversial evangelical leader and endorser of Sen. John McCain, argued in a late 1990s sermon that the Nazis had operated on God’s behalf to chase the Jews from Europe and shepherd them to Palestine. According to the Reverend, Adolph Hitler was a "hunter," sent by God, who was tasked with expediting God’s will of having the Jews re-establish a state of Israel.

Going in and out of biblical verse, Hagee preached: "‘And they the hunters should hunt them,’ that will be the Jews. ‘From every mountain and from every hill and from out of the holes of the rocks.’ If that doesn’t describe what Hitler did in the holocaust you can’t see that."

He goes on: "Theodore Hertzel is the father of Zionism. He was a Jew who at the turn of the 19th century said, this land is our land, God wants us to live there. So he went to the Jews of Europe and said ‘I want you to come and join me in the land of Israel.’ So few went that Hertzel went into depression. Those who came founded Israel; those who did not went through the hell of the holocaust.

"Then god sent a hunter. A hunter is someone with a gun and he forces you. Hitler was a hunter. And the Bible says — Jeremiah writing — ‘They shall hunt them from every mountain and from every hill and from the holes of the rocks,’ meaning there’s no place to hide. And that might be offensive to some people but don’t let your heart be offended. I didn’t write it, Jeremiah wrote it. It was the truth and it is the truth. How did it happen? Because God allowed it to happen. Why did it happen? Because God said my top priority for the Jewish people is to get them to come back to the land of Israel." (Listen to the audio below.)

The sermon, which was first posted by Bruce Wilson on his site, Talk To Action, adds another element to Hagee’s controversial stance on the state and history of Israel. It also may provide a new round of political headaches for McCain who has admitted that seeking out Hagee’s endorsement was a mistake, but still declared himself "glad to have" it.




John Hagee’s Ministries did not immediately return request for comment.

Since McCain secured the endorsement, both his campaign and Hagee have been pressed to explain a series of derogatory remarks the Reverend made about the Catholic Church, including his reference to the institution as "the Great Whore."

Hagee has since apologized for those remarks. But his interpretation of the role of the Nazis could be harder to dismiss, in part because McCain and Sen. Barack Obama are expected to compete heavily over the Jewish vote come the general election, in part because McCain has said he admires Hagee’s commitment to Israel, but mainly because similar theories have found their way into much of the Reverend’s writings.

As Wilson notes, in his 2006 book "Jerusalem Countdown", Hagee proposed the theory that "anti-Semitism, and thus the Holocaust, was the fault of Jews themselves — the result of an age old divine curse incurred by the ancient Hebrews through worshiping idols and passed, down the ages, to all Jews now alive." He also wrote that "Most readers will be shocked by the clear record of history linking Adolf Hitler and the Roman Catholic Church in a conspiracy to exterminate the Jews."

Hagee is considered, in many political circles, to be one of the most passionate and strident supporters of Israel. He has spoken at AIPAC conferences and leads the evangelical group Christians United for Israel. But his views of the country, while possibly shared by others in the evangelical community, can be, at times, startling. Holding to the belief that Armageddon will come to earth following the reestablishment of the Kingdom of Israel, Hagee has advocated an aggressive war against Iran and has opposed any Israeli military withdrawal from the West Bank.

McCain, at least in the public record, has sought to thread the needle with the Hagee association: distancing himself from the controversial comment while reaping the political benefits of the Reverend’s endorsement. Appearing on ABC’s "’This Week" in late April 2008, McCain criticized Hagee’s past remarks on the Catholic Church, but said that, "I admire and appreciate his advocacy for the state of Israel, the independence of the state of Israel."

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xFrockx said:
I fail to see why Jon McCain is mentioned in this article. Sheer stupidity.

I will not vote for McCain in the fall either, but not because of some bullshit like this.

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ElectricLand said:
Does it matter if it was "God's" will or not, massacring nearly an entire people is still one of the most disgusting human acts committed in history

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ElectricLand said:
Does it matter if it was "God's" will or not, massacring nearly an entire people is still one of the most disgusting human acts committed in history

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zorbman said:
OMG It's McCain's pastor!!!!!!!

OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well it's a pastor who supports McCain.

Therefore McCain is HELLSPAWN by association. Fair is fair.

Yep, the Silly Season is fully upon us. (Always take year-long naps before election day.)

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The evidence is irrefutable!

Oh crap I hope that crybaby Obama doesn't try and appease McCain by talking to him thereby giving him the go ahead to build all those nuclear "power plants" *cough weapons of mass destruction cough cough*

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xFrockx said:
I fail to see why Jon McCain is mentioned in this article. Sheer stupidity.

I will not vote for McCain in the fall either, but not because of some bullshit like this.

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This kind of junk is all the media has to work with now. I've heard all this past year, like a broken record, that this election will be civil, and they won't focus on personal attacks. Since all the clowns you routinely see on TV are pimping the same bullshit, the media can put pressure on the candidates by exposing the dumbfucks these clowns surround themselves with. This fatso is for McChicken. Wright is for Obama, so forth.

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danknugz81 said:
phred? zappaisgod? lonestar?

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dannugz81 said:
While Fox news and the other propaganda outlets have been going on ad nauseum about the revernend wright "controversy" (which no one but sean hannity gives a shit about) they have neglected to mention McCain's nutcase preacher Hagee, and allegations of McCain campaign fraud. is it really surprising that they're covering up for their boy?

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danknugz81 said:
phred? zappaisgod? lonestar?

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what, do you think this article is relevant at all as to whether McCain would make a good president?

How?

This is the kinda bullshit that feeds the contention on the right that there exists dispartate standards in the media and in certain public spheres, which thereby justifies them acting like crybabies and degenerates in certain circumstances.

It boggles the mind how you'd think something like this means jack shit.

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dannugz81 said:
While Fox news and the other propaganda outlets have been going on ad nauseum about the revernend wright "controversy" (which no one but sean hannity gives a shit about) they have neglected to mention McCain's nutcase preacher Hagee, and allegations of McCain campaign fraud. is it really surprising that they're covering up for their boy?

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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8385083#8385083

How do you explain this bullshit?

You say no one cares about the wright controversy yet you apparently think this article is relevant? How about some explanations?

Or do you simply play into the view of politics that its a contest between democrats and republicans, with endless reprisals by those victimized by petty bullshit like you've posted in the original post?

While you're arguing about irrelevancies, and ever trying to top the other side's latest drop into even more irrelevant bullshit, their are decent candidates out there and decent issues you could be focusing on. Instead you argue about bullshit, great. Lets try not to continually outdo the worst and silliest efforts of the "opposing" side. This kinda shit is a perfect epitomy of what the two party system does to politics.

And people wonder why "there aren't any good candidates"

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danknugz81 said:
phred? zappaisgod? lonestar?

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“Obviously, I find these remarks and others deeply offensive and indefensible, and I repudiate them. I did not know of them before Reverend Hagee's endorsement, and I feel I must reject his endorsement as well,” McCain said in a statement to CNN Thursday.

He added that his relationship with Hagee did not compare with Obama’s lengthy association with Rev. Jeremiah Wright. “I have said I do not believe Senator Obama shares Reverend Wright's extreme views. But let me also be clear, Reverend Hagee was not and is not my pastor or spiritual advisor, and I did not attend his church for twenty years. I have denounced statements he made immediately upon learning of them, as I do again today,” said McCain.

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