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 Is the GOP justified in excluding Ron Paul from the National Convention?
#8405985 - 05/15/08 04:32 PM (6 months, 14 days ago) |
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No mainstream article behind this, but here is the j00tube video which prompted my pondering:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-2c24qpri4
Now, let's assume we are all still a society of free ideas. Ron Paul has every intention of speaking at the GOP national convention, to give voice to true conservatism. He is a long time member of the party, and has served with truly terrorizing integrity. His words can serve no other effect than to lower support for the racist piece of garbage John McChickenhawk, who will still win the convention, but would still face tough odds against the Demicrats.
Now, the party has an obligation to get elected. If Paul's words can only put a lie to McChicken's doublethink, should they not hit him with the ban-hammer? Why make a hard race harder?
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 Re: Is the GOP justified in excluding Ron Paul from the National Convention? [Re: Minstrel]
#8406284 - 05/15/08 06:07 PM (6 months, 14 days ago) |
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Ron Paul is not part of the establishment, and doesn't answer to the CFR. The republicans or democrats will do everything in their power, including vote rigging, to make sure he doesn't get elected
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Re: Is the GOP justified in excluding Ron Paul from the National Convention? [Re: Visionary Tools]
#8406416 - 05/15/08 06:41 PM (6 months, 14 days ago) |
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Visionary Tools said:
Ron Paul is not part of the establishment, and doesn't answer to the CFR. The republicans or democrats will do everything in their power, including vote rigging, to make sure he doesn't get elected
Yes yes, but the terrorist Ron Paul has continuously said his campaign is about fostering a new philosophy of federal governance. It is these ideas that are a threat to your mentioned establishment. Your establishment has routinely mentioned that your constitution is the driving force of terror, weather hatred of the freedom it protects, or its protecting privacy, to allow terrorists to go unnoticed. Either way, it has to go. People can't get it into their heads that this document is relevant to today. Paul's ideas must not be given voice.
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Re: Is the GOP justified in excluding Ron Paul from the National Convention? [Re: Minstrel]
#8406483 - 05/15/08 06:56 PM (6 months, 14 days ago) |
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they might let him speak at the convention, but he'll never be elected unfortunately. partly due to lack of campaign funds, but mainly due to the media failing to address his campaign or the issues on his platform seriously. and yes, they would resort to voter fraud/election rigging or downright assassination to stop ron paul from making real changes in washington.
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Re: Is the GOP justified in excluding Ron Paul from the National Convention? [Re: Minstrel]
#8406506 - 05/15/08 07:05 PM (6 months, 14 days ago) |
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The last thing the old white men running this country want is a "new philosophy of federal governance."
They keep the population polarized so we will never have a chance of unifying and tearing down the establishment.
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Re: Is the GOP justified in excluding Ron Paul from the National Convention? [Re: Minstrel]
#8408334 - 05/16/08 05:03 AM (6 months, 13 days ago) |
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The reasonable explanation for why they repeatedly take effort to shut Ron Paul and his supporters out from participating in the party is because it poses a threat to party leaders. Senior party officials are frightened by powerful party activists at the grassroots level because they are seeking to change the party from within, and these officials embody that which is sought to be changed. They fear this because these activists are closer to the voters than they are, meaning they could effectively throw their fat asses out if the movement gets powerful enough.
Honestly, it isn't a smart move for the party, because its base is getting older, shrinking off, and dying. Its a natural course, the pendulum swinging left and right, so its only a matter of time before the party finds a better foundation, perhaps on the ideas that Ron Paul campaigned on, before they find new support and build momentum again.
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Re: Is the GOP justified in excluding Ron Paul from the National Convention? [Re: danknugz81]
#8408531 - 05/16/08 08:00 AM (6 months, 13 days ago) |
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danknugz81 said:
they might let him speak at the convention, but he'll never be elected unfortunately. partly due to lack of campaign funds, but mainly due to the media failing to address his campaign or the issues on his platform seriously. and yes, they would resort to voter fraud/election rigging or downright assassination to stop ron paul from making real changes in washington.
No, he won't be elected cuz people don't like his politics, end of story. There isn't some conspiracy, people just don't like him.
The media hurt him, but that doesn't mean he would have been elected w/ fantastic coverage.
Should the republicans exlude him? No, they should not.
May the republicans exlude him? Yes, they have that right.
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Re: Is the GOP justified in excluding Ron Paul from the National Convention? [Re: johnm214]
#8409272 - 05/16/08 12:21 PM (6 months, 13 days ago) |
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johnm214 said:
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danknugz81 said:
they might let him speak at the convention, but he'll never be elected unfortunately. partly due to lack of campaign funds, but mainly due to the media failing to address his campaign or the issues on his platform seriously. and yes, they would resort to voter fraud/election rigging or downright assassination to stop ron paul from making real changes in washington.
No, he won't be elected cuz people don't like his politics, end of story. There isn't some conspiracy, people just don't like him.
The media hurt him, but that doesn't mean he would have been elected w/ fantastic coverage.
Should the republicans exlude him? No, they should not.
May the republicans exlude him? Yes, they have that right.
people dont like him? just from talking with a few people at bars last weekend, when i mentioned ron paul, a lot of people starting saying what a breath of fresh air his policies were. obviously they dont represent the whole country, but i think you'd be surprised how many people like what he has to say. he's just not seen as a viable candidate because he gets no exposure. if paul was the GOP nominee vs obama, i think you'd find it'd be a much closer race than the mccain-obama race will be. its gonna be a landslide democratic win this year.
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Re: Is the GOP justified in excluding Ron Paul from the National Convention? [Re: danknugz81]
#8409409 - 05/16/08 12:57 PM (6 months, 13 days ago) |
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Of course some people like him.
But how many people actually read teh proposals of candidates and read their justification? Not very many- course not very many candidates take clear positions either, see the campaign sites of these clowns.
If Paul had been closer to winning he'd have been demolished by the racism stuff (maybe), his drug was views, his opinion that the income tax should be repealed, and other things. People don't think, and people don't read.
They also don't realize, many of them, that paul would be powerless to do almost anything except talk and to pull our troops out/force congress to declare war.
Its just a shame more people don't look into the issue. I think a Paul presidency would be great for this country.
But more important is to stop electing jackasses for congress. Stop the drug war, stop the spending, stop the federal premption, stop the federal involvement in all this bullshit we don't need help w/.
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Re: Is the GOP justified in excluding Ron Paul from the National Convention? [Re: johnm214]
#8409810 - 05/16/08 02:51 PM (6 months, 13 days ago) |
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johnm214 said:
But more important is to stop electing jackasses for congress.
 Don't forget the Senate!
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Re: Is the GOP justified in excluding Ron Paul from the National Convention? [Re: Minstrel]
#8409814 - 05/16/08 02:53 PM (6 months, 13 days ago) |
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Minstrel said:
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johnm214 said:
But more important is to stop electing jackasses for congress.
Don't forget the Senate!
same thing, senate and the house of reps are the 2 parts of congress
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Re: Is the GOP justified in excluding Ron Paul from the National Convention? [Re: Minstrel]
#8409888 - 05/16/08 03:12 PM (6 months, 13 days ago) |
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Minstrel said:
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johnm214 said:
But more important is to stop electing jackasses for congress.
Don't forget the Senate!
Please don't vote.
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Re: Is the GOP justified in excluding Ron Paul from the National Convention? [Re: zappaisgod]
#8410143 - 05/16/08 04:19 PM (6 months, 13 days ago) |
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zappaisgod said:
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Minstrel said:
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johnm214 said:
But more important is to stop electing jackasses for congress.
Don't forget the Senate!
Please don't vote.
Don't worry, I won't. I'm not subject to your little shitstorm of an election. Political nomenclature; big deal.
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Edited by Minstrel (05/16/08 04:22 PM)
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