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It's obvious that if you start with a system which at its base is nothing, that within the system you can continue to stack things and create an illusion of progress, but at the end of it all the system must return nothing, to be equal.
So, if there is NOTHING THERE, that everything is really empty, and there is ONLY YOURSELF, then any philosophical system, or any language system, attempting to create meaning is only going to do so within its own definitions which are part of the stacking, that is, the definitions are part of the 'masturbation' that the philosophy is itself.
So, anything we do can never really mean anything. It already means EVERYTHING, because since there is nothing there only YOU are there. So even this crap I am typing now is as meaningful as staring at the pretty blue light on my LCD screen, as meaningful as eating Milo, as meaningful as anything I can do. So the only meaning there is You, but you can make it take different forms (which the universe has done).
It's like you start with a possible range of things of (0, 1}, there can be infinitely many decimal configurations of things within that range ( 0.45645645634, 0.9544434... etc.) but ultimately the whole thing means no more than 1, you never got higher than 1, never less than none. Nothing changed, it was all inside 1. It's like everything weren't really there and so anything it did could never mean anything. Everywhere you look and everything you do is You. But, to allay our bored minds, there are forms and a Cosmic Dance to fill the day of You. Part of the dance involves the reasoning mind and this just so happens to have invented philosophy to allow its pointless but often 'fun' overuse, and its popularity is so high because we're coming out of an era in which we've been cut off from the Self, the You, so the reasoning mind is firing away thinking its disconnected but really it's just another amusing scene in the Cosmic Play, and nothing is achieved, as usual.
So what do you all think of that?
It's important that you have already found "Yourself" before this feeling can be understood.
There is an amazement in "You" in that everything becomes interesting. Most people have probably realized this on psychedelics. You can sit back, knowing this, and watch the world play its game. But not in a nihilistic way, in a positivistic way, because in the end, it's going to be okay. Your body is just flesh, your soul is immortal, and everything is just You... and we're in a great time now where the show is reaching its climax.
-------------------- we must strive against all ill-formed resistance to attain the chalice of a higher spiritual awakening
There's nothing there.
"Dreams: at the bottom of them lies the merciless onslaught of reality."
Yes I agree. Altho I have repect for the 'enlightened' who can exist at altitude in a tent I really don't think that an enlightened would by neccessity stay in a desert. (unless they suffered from sensory-overload and frequently get lost in the intrinsic beauty of a rotting twig or pebble)
-------------------- it's easy to be critical when you don't have to live here
'Thru disciplinary action comes control'. Yeah, I'm sure we're all familiar with disciplinary action.
I imagine the disciples of a discipline share both similar goals and ideas on what constitutes 'amusement'. (didn't I already add this once this morning?)
-------------------- it's easy to be critical when you don't have to live here
Quote: burgatory said: It's obvious that if you start with a system which at its base is nothing, that within the system you can continue to stack things and create an illusion of progress, but at the end of it all the system must return nothing, to be equal.
So, if there is NOTHING THERE, that everything is really empty, and there is ONLY YOURSELF, then any philosophical system, or any language system, attempting to create meaning is only going to do so within its own definitions which are part of the stacking, that is, the definitions are part of the 'masturbation' that the philosophy is itself.
So, anything we do can never really mean anything. It already means EVERYTHING, because since there is nothing there only YOU are there. So even this crap I am typing now is as meaningful as staring at the pretty blue light on my LCD screen, as meaningful as eating Milo, as meaningful as anything I can do. So the only meaning there is You, but you can make it take different forms (which the universe has done).
It's like you start with a possible range of things of (0, 1}, there can be infinitely many decimal configurations of things within that range ( 0.45645645634, 0.9544434... etc.) but ultimately the whole thing means no more than 1, you never got higher than 1, never less than none. Nothing changed, it was all inside 1. It's like everything weren't really there and so anything it did could never mean anything. Everywhere you look and everything you do is You. But, to allay our bored minds, there are forms and a Cosmic Dance to fill the day of You. Part of the dance involves the reasoning mind and this just so happens to have invented philosophy to allow its pointless but often 'fun' overuse, and its popularity is so high because we're coming out of an era in which we've been cut off from the Self, the You, so the reasoning mind is firing away thinking its disconnected but really it's just another amusing scene in the Cosmic Play, and nothing is achieved, as usual.
So what do you all think of that?
It's important that you have already found "Yourself" before this feeling can be understood.
There is an amazement in "You" in that everything becomes interesting. Most people have probably realized this on psychedelics. You can sit back, knowing this, and watch the world play its game. But not in a nihilistic way, in a positivistic way, because in the end, it's going to be okay. Your body is just flesh, your soul is immortal, and everything is just You... and we're in a great time now where the show is reaching its climax.
Really great post
"It's obvious that if you start with a system which at its base is nothing, that within the system you can continue to stack things and create an illusion of progress, but at the end of it all the system must return nothing, to be equal."
Thanks for the long lecture on your death anxiety . You gave it all away with the above statement. There is and has never been evidence of a soul. This is a necessary "evil" for a species that is afraid of it's nothingness.
By the way there are answers if you know the right questions.
-------------------- What the thinker thinks, the prover proves. R.A.W.
I don't believe anything, but I have many suspicions. R.A.W.
embrace death in all the ways it comes no matter how soft or hard. cruel ,tragic,weak,light, gentle, ect how ever. thats life
Thanks for the long lecture on your death anxiety . You gave it all away with the above statement. There is and has never been evidence of a soul. This is a necessary "evil" for a species that is afraid of it's nothingness.
By the way there are answers if you know the right questions.
You talk a lot about death anxiety. I believe we are programmed to be afraid of death by our culture because of our lack of spiritual knowledge and understanding. Sure science says this or religion says that but its generally just theories. Everything is a theory and nothing is fact. Your and others theory on nothingness is just a theory just as my and others theory of there being some spiritual existence after our physical bodies die. No it's not death anxiety for my belief in a world other than the ones we perceive with our eyes open. It is mainly out of thought and my curiosity for the unanswered theorized world around us that makes me have that belief.
-------------------- "In the end, we will not remember the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends."
imo death anxiety is there to get over it...theres no point being aware of your own death if you dont actually transcend
we can talk about death anxiety all day long, but why not get over the anxiety?
its the best thing to do actually...
Buddha used to send new disciples to watch burning corpses, because eventually your mind becomes the corpse being burnt & you transcend death, you realise the Self, the deathless spirit, the Tao...
It IS possible, Ice may still call this death anxiety but if my identity with this body is dead....who dies? If death is fulyl faced, if you watch your own birth, life & death & the death of humanity & the planet even, then what anxiety is left?
The dissolution of the universe is one of the highest meditations...everything passes
Well the fear of death may always be there for the body because we will always have fear of falling, fear of weapons being used against us, fear of pain to some extent, etc...
Facing death is a beautiful thing really, its heart wrenching but its an awesome teacher, it shows us that whatever we grab, EVERYTHING will be torn from us at some point
Facing something fully is to transcend it because you dont let it rule you anymore, you stand up & face the pain & come through the other end better off....
Facing death is a beautiful thing really, its heart wrenching but its an awesome teacher, it shows us that whatever we grab, EVERYTHING will be torn from us at some point
-------------------- What the thinker thinks, the prover proves. R.A.W.
I don't believe anything, but I have many suspicions. R.A.W.
embrace death in all the ways it comes no matter how soft or hard. cruel ,tragic,weak,light, gentle, ect how ever. thats life
I don't know if this is meant to be a philosophical statement or what, but mathematically this is just not true. 0 + 9999999 = 9999999
-------------------- One day Ananda, who had been thinking deeply about things for a while, turned to the Buddha and exclaimed, "Lord, I've been thinking - spiritual friendship is at least half of the spiritual life!"
The Buddha replied: "Say not so, Ananda, say not so. Spiritual friendship is the whole of the spiritual life!"
Oh the good old days in merry old England and Europe. It was especially tasty to be a women then. Yes it certainly was better in the past.-Icelander
I would be quite interested in such evidence. It has, thus far, not been presented. OBE's and the like have not been substantiated in the slightest. It seems quite likely that they are colorful fantasies.
-------------------- No man is free who is not master of himself.
~Epictetus.
I'm referring to personally experiencing something that gives rise to a belief in continuing consciousness over death, even if the belief isn't objectively true.
Edit: wait, are you denying the experience itself, or the objective validity of it?
-------------------- the truth will set you free...
...and everything I say is true.
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it's easy to be critical when you don't have to live here
If I had death anxiety I would be nailed to my ego.
