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 Icelander
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 Ultimately
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We cannot know what is the true path for ourselves or others. We can best guess at our own and for others we but cannot know the outcome of their/our actions or motivations. Things that look bad in the short run might be very good in the long.
As my friend sez: "Everybody has a job in the Universe, and they're doing it"
We can only guess at truth. Nobody (as far as I can tell) knows what is going on with all this creation.
IMO anyone who tells you they know anything for sure is exposing their personal anxiety about the unknown, chaotic, infinite Universe. They need to be sure because they can't stand the alternative.
If you think I'm wrong I would like to hear your reasons and see your evidence.
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Cracka_X
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MO anyone who tells you they know anything for sure is exposing their personal anxiety about the unknown, chaotic, infinite Universe.
I believe one of the most difficult things to do is letting go. When I say this, I'm refering to dealing with changes in one's life that doesn't meet their static/conservative ideas. But once you let go and embrace this chaotic, randomness and, well, dance with it, will you truly live.
that's my theory and i'm stickin to it
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elbisivni
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As my friend sez: "Everybody has a job in the Universe, and they're doing it"
I remember my father scolding me with that phrase when I was a child after I made an inquisitive but condescending remark at the McDonald's counter about people who dedicate their lives to becoming manager at such a place.
With any luck, the manager heard me. Then they would have the opportunity to decide whether or not they agreed with my assertion and whether or not they wanted to try to move in a new direction in life or not.
Our world "needs" fast-food managers and garbage pick-up people - a number of those people may be realizing their full potential, they may even be happy, but what if they could be happier? What if there might be a better path worth investigating? Might it be worthwhile to say, "this is what I think, take it or leave it"?
The analogy might be a stretch and I very rarely physically voice my opinions on these matters. I leave these things up to others to ponder upon unless they seem open to alternate ideas. Just some fast-food for thought..
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Icelander said:
If you think I'm wrong I would like to hear your reasons and see your evidence.
While I find myself mostly agreeing with what you're saying here, I do want to ask: where's your evidence?
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Meaning in the words you wrote,
This I am sure of,
Therefore you are wrong.
Bonus points, haiku,
Meaning found in all patterns
Recognized, intent.
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OrgoneConclusion
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As my friend sez: "Everybody has a job in the Universe, and they're doing it"
IMO anyone who tells you they know anything for sure is exposing their personal anxiety about the unknown
Um... OK. 
Let's just ignore degrees of certainty and uncertainty and toss everything in the same box. That is helpful.
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LunarEclipse said:
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Things that look bad in the short run might be very good in the long.
In the long run we are all dead.
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If you think I'm wrong I would like to hear your reasons and see your evidence.
I would guess you are wrong but I don't want to say for sure because that would expose my personal anxiety about the unknown, chaotic, infinite Universe.
Is dead bad?
Guessing something is wrong without the conviction to put it out there is a little bit...
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What the thinker thinks, the prover proves. R.A.W.
I don't believe anything, but I have many suspicions. R.A.W.
embrace death in all the ways it comes no matter how soft or hard. cruel ,tragic,weak,light, gentle, ect how ever. thats life
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Icelander
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OrgoneConclusion said:
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As my friend sez: "Everybody has a job in the Universe, and they're doing it"
IMO anyone who tells you they know anything for sure is exposing their personal anxiety about the unknown
Um... OK.
Let's just ignore degrees of certainty and uncertainty and toss everything in the same box. That is helpful.
You're welcome.
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What the thinker thinks, the prover proves. R.A.W.
I don't believe anything, but I have many suspicions. R.A.W.
embrace death in all the ways it comes no matter how soft or hard. cruel ,tragic,weak,light, gentle, ect how ever. thats life
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Icelander
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but what if they could be happier?
I think you miss the fuller meaning of that statement. WHATEVER anyone is doing, even if that is overhearing you and realizing they could be happier doing something else is doing there job just like you were doing yours. It doesn't matter what you are doing whether realizing your "potential" or not. And by the way we only realize our "potential" when we are skillful enough to actually do it. Job skills.
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What the thinker thinks, the prover proves. R.A.W.
I don't believe anything, but I have many suspicions. R.A.W.
embrace death in all the ways it comes no matter how soft or hard. cruel ,tragic,weak,light, gentle, ect how ever. thats life
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daytripper23
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Knowing your own path is knowing your own culture. Maybe you think its cool because you're there. Nobody can take that away.
You know others paths pretty well too, because you see how damned embarrassing it can be from the outside. For instance I was just watching scarface, and the 80s seems to be the cheesiest 10 years of American history.
Both outlooks know something real, even the retrospective is passing through time.
I think philosophy looks for a fixed answer, and the a path is dynamic. You only see the path behind you, the truth is in the improvisation.
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elbisivni
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I don't think I understand what your statement is. Everyone has a role, nobodies role is 'universally correct' and there is no such a thing as a 'universally correct' role? That can't be all..
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Icelander
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It can't?
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What the thinker thinks, the prover proves. R.A.W.
I don't believe anything, but I have many suspicions. R.A.W.
embrace death in all the ways it comes no matter how soft or hard. cruel ,tragic,weak,light, gentle, ect how ever. thats life
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elbisivni
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Well I guess it can be, I was just hoping for more.
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2: a notion maintained despite evidence to the contrary
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