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 impartial observation
#8465613 - 05/30/08 09:35 PM (5 months, 20 days ago) |
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"the observer has an effect on what he sees by observing, if he is partial."
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birdmanc
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Re: impartial observation [Re: sleepy]
#8465699 - 05/30/08 10:02 PM (5 months, 20 days ago) |
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witchcraft!switchrafts
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sleepy
The death of death
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Re: impartial observation [Re: sleepy]
#8465704 - 05/30/08 10:03 PM (5 months, 20 days ago) |
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the celtics won tonight woooo!
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birdmanc
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Re: impartial observation [Re: sleepy]
#8465792 - 05/30/08 10:31 PM (5 months, 20 days ago) |
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I too exclame joyfully when current event related to affiliated victory
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AnarchoTrip
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Re: impartial observation [Re: birdmanc]
#8468029 - 05/31/08 05:04 PM (5 months, 19 days ago) |
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i hate schroedinger's cat. for the record.
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Re: impartial observation [Re: sleepy]
#8468069 - 05/31/08 05:18 PM (5 months, 19 days ago) |
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sleepy said:
the celtics won tonight woooo!
Sports, how exciting.
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What the thinker thinks, the prover proves. R.A.W.
I don't believe anything, but I have many suspicions. R.A.W.
embrace death in all the ways it comes no matter how soft or hard. cruel ,tragic,weak,light, gentle, ect how ever. thats life
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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: impartial observation [Re: sleepy]
#8468147 - 05/31/08 05:42 PM (5 months, 19 days ago) |
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the observer has an effect on what he sees by obser
Not sure where you are going with this, but the mysticism surrounding the quantum measuring/observing phenomenon is totally misunderstood.
Imagine sticking an anemometer (wind speed measuring device) in a gale. The metal cups of the anemometer will have an effect on individual air molecules due to its resistance and inertia (mass), but by and large will be reasonably accurate.
Now use the same device on a single air molecule and the measuring device will certainly have an impact by stopping or severely diminsihng the air molecule's speed.
ANY attempt to measure (a better word than observe) will necessarily effect an atomic particle.
Here is where people get messed up. If light waves are already bouncing off some object, it makes no difference whether there is a human 'observing' the activity or not.
It is the interference of the measuring device, not consciousness or awareness that has the effect.
Comprende?
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Icelander
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You're so smart.
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What the thinker thinks, the prover proves. R.A.W.
I don't believe anything, but I have many suspicions. R.A.W.
embrace death in all the ways it comes no matter how soft or hard. cruel ,tragic,weak,light, gentle, ect how ever. thats life
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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: impartial observation [Re: Icelander]
#8468160 - 05/31/08 05:49 PM (5 months, 19 days ago) |
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You're observation makes me feel all warm and fuzzy. 
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Veritas
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*your
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No man is free who is not master of himself.
~Epictetus.
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Icelander
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Re: impartial observation [Re: Veritas]
#8468176 - 05/31/08 05:55 PM (5 months, 19 days ago) |
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U beat me too it.
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What the thinker thinks, the prover proves. R.A.W.
I don't believe anything, but I have many suspicions. R.A.W.
embrace death in all the ways it comes no matter how soft or hard. cruel ,tragic,weak,light, gentle, ect how ever. thats life
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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: impartial observation [Re: Veritas]
#8468233 - 05/31/08 06:16 PM (5 months, 19 days ago) |
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That was the joke, darlin'.
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Icelander
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nice recover.
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What the thinker thinks, the prover proves. R.A.W.
I don't believe anything, but I have many suspicions. R.A.W.
embrace death in all the ways it comes no matter how soft or hard. cruel ,tragic,weak,light, gentle, ect how ever. thats life
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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: impartial observation [Re: Icelander]
#8468268 - 05/31/08 06:33 PM (5 months, 19 days ago) |
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If I admitted to an error, you would know that an alien had taken over my body.
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Icelander
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Macho men everywhere salute you.
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What the thinker thinks, the prover proves. R.A.W.
I don't believe anything, but I have many suspicions. R.A.W.
embrace death in all the ways it comes no matter how soft or hard. cruel ,tragic,weak,light, gentle, ect how ever. thats life
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OrgoneConclusion
Oh, bee hive!
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Re: impartial observation [Re: Icelander]
#8468341 - 05/31/08 06:59 PM (5 months, 19 days ago) |
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Boots
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Quote:
OrgoneConclusion said:
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the observer has an effect on what he sees by obser
Not sure where you are going with this, but the mysticism surrounding the quantum measuring/observing phenomenon is totally misunderstood.
Imagine sticking an anemometer (wind speed measuring device) in a gale. The metal cups of the anemometer will have an effect on individual air molecules due to its resistance and inertia (mass), but by and large will be reasonably accurate.
Now use the same device on a single air molecule and the measuring device will certainly have an impact by stopping or severely diminsihng the air molecule's speed.
ANY attempt to measure (a better word than observe) will necessarily effect an atomic particle.
Here is where people get messed up. If light waves are already bouncing off some object, it makes no difference whether there is a human 'observing' the activity or not.
It is the interference of the measuring device, not consciousness or awareness that has the effect.
Comprende?
What if we're not talking about individual particles? What if it's a psychological study. If the people knew they were being observed, they may change their behavior, agreed?
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OrgoneConclusion
Oh, bee hive!
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Re: impartial observation [Re: Boots]
#8468412 - 05/31/08 07:21 PM (5 months, 19 days ago) |
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What if it's a psychological study. If the people knew they were being observed, they may change their behavior, agreed?
The change in behaviour will only be predicated upon their own thoughts not by the actual observation.
Put them behind a two-way mirror and they will be unable to tell if there are observers or not.
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backfromthedead
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Re: impartial observation [Re: Boots]
#8468716 - 05/31/08 08:59 PM (5 months, 19 days ago) |
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Quote:
Boots said:
Quote:
OrgoneConclusion said:
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the observer has an effect on what he sees by obser
Not sure where you are going with this, but the mysticism surrounding the quantum measuring/observing phenomenon is totally misunderstood.
Imagine sticking an anemometer (wind speed measuring device) in a gale. The metal cups of the anemometer will have an effect on individual air molecules due to its resistance and inertia (mass), but by and large will be reasonably accurate.
Now use the same device on a single air molecule and the measuring device will certainly have an impact by stopping or severely diminsihng the air molecule's speed.
ANY attempt to measure (a better word than observe) will necessarily effect an atomic particle.
Here is where people get messed up. If light waves are already bouncing off some object, it makes no difference whether there is a human 'observing' the activity or not.
It is the interference of the measuring device, not consciousness or awareness that has the effect.
Comprende?
What if we're not talking about individual particles? What if it's a psychological study. If the people knew they were being observed, they may change their behavior, agreed?
Until a mutherfucker discovers its a trick of the mind and learns to cut it up like DJ Scribble and spin it back faster than its comin through. Like... FUCK YOU!!
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