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 SyntheticMInd
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 The many acts we live by
#8413650 - 05/17/08 04:48 PM (4 months, 24 days ago) |
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For those who have endulged in countless psychedelic voyages at an early age, do you feel this has somewhat prevented you from "growing up" in a way?
I feel like I've missed this train. Even my 16 yo brother acts older than me. It's amazing how much of an act it is at times. He even drops the pitch of his voice at times just to make himself sound older.
Sometimes it makes very little sense, because of how much an act language is, and how apparant this has come to be. I feel like I've forgotten my character in this play and the script I'm supposed to follow has blank pages. Yet it feels right. Alone, yet a lot less lonely than when there was a densely constructed script to live by. Loose screws allows for easier access.
Am I alone in this?
And do you think the more we grow up into the world, without having shattered the binds to our identification through self-relfection and psychedelics, the more difficult it becomes to loosen these binds, and the harder it becomes to develop and awaken self-awareness?
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- Salvador Dalí
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The Cypher
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Should have taken the blue pill. 
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Cameron
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I feel my ability to see past conventional definitions of 'success' allows me the opportunity to make healthier, more mature decisions in my life. I grew up believing that success entailed a well-paying job, a big house, and a shiny car; I didn't know what else to believe, as success to me seemed to be defined by power and money (one and the same?). My dad's in his early fifties, and he's still chasing the dollar sign, empty sex, and plasma TV's, all the while complaining about his unfulfilling job, his miserable relationships, and increasing boredom with his new toys.
I don't believe that psychedelics have stagnated my personal growth in any way. Rather, I believe that I've been blessed with a propensity to see outside of the box, thereby allowing me the foresight to better understand how my actions today will shape my future tomorrow.
As for your second question, I don't know. I'll report back in thirty years.
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SyntheticMInd
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Re: The many acts we live by [Re: Cameron]
#8414175 - 05/17/08 07:49 PM (4 months, 23 days ago) |
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Cameron said:My dad's in his early fifties, and he's still chasing the dollar sign, empty sex, and plasma TV's, all the while complaining about his unfulfilling job, his miserable relationships, and increasing boredom with his new toys.
this is actually the kind "growing up" i am talking about. growing up and out of youthful curiosity, wonder, and adventure. growing into a serious, systematic lifestyle that lacks exploration outside of the norm.
i feel psychedelics have somewhat stagnated the growth of this mental structure within me. before using psychedelics, my thought patterns were so linear and more densely integrated within my mind. i was more associated with my thoughts. now it feels like there is more distance between my thoughts and my awareness. before it felt as though my thoughts were my awareness. this makes me think about schizophrenia, this could be it. maybe the schizo's who hear voices are so dissociated from their thoughts that they actually appear as separate entities. /ends rant
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I don't do drugs, I am drugs
There is only one difference between a madman and me. The madman thinks he is sane. I know I am mad.
- Salvador Dalí
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SyntheticMInd
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Re: The many acts we live by [Re: The Cypher]
#8414181 - 05/17/08 07:51 PM (4 months, 23 days ago) |
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The Cypher said:
Should have taken the blue pill.
too boring of a trip.
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I don't do drugs, I am drugs
There is only one difference between a madman and me. The madman thinks he is sane. I know I am mad.
- Salvador Dalí
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Cameron
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SyntheticMInd said:
this is actually the kind "growing up" i am talking about. growing up and out of youthful curiosity, wonder, and adventure. growing into a serious, systematic lifestyle that lacks exploration outside of the norm.
Who in their right mind would willfully abandon their youthful vigor in place of a dull, boring existence like that?! 
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i feel psychedelics have somewhat stagnated the growth of this mental structure within me. before using psychedelics, my thought patterns were so linear and more densely integrated within my mind. i was more associated with my thoughts. now it feels like there is more distance between my thoughts and my awareness. before it felt as though my thoughts were my awareness. this makes me think about schizophrenia, this could be it. maybe the schizo's who hear voices are so dissociated from their thoughts that they actually appear as separate entities. /ends rant
Yeah, I've also become more 'separate' from my thoughts (at least from what I can recall). I try to look at it in a positive light, though. Separateness better enables you to analyze and question your thoughts, resulting in a more thoughtful, sounder outlook. Rather than taking to heart everything you hear and see at face value, you're able to question your beliefs, and question the conclusions you draw from those questions, etc. I guess there's a fine line between insistence and insanity, though. Too much thought can be a bad thing.
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SyntheticMInd
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Re: The many acts we live by [Re: Cameron]
#8414495 - 05/17/08 08:56 PM (4 months, 23 days ago) |
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Cameron said:I guess there's a fine line between insistence and insanity, though. Too much thought can be a bad thing.
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I don't do drugs, I am drugs
There is only one difference between a madman and me. The madman thinks he is sane. I know I am mad.
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 Oweyervishice
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SyntheticMInd said:
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Cameron said:My dad's in his early fifties, and he's still chasing the dollar sign, empty sex, and plasma TV's, all the while complaining about his unfulfilling job, his miserable relationships, and increasing boredom with his new toys.
this is actually the kind "growing up" i am talking about. growing up and out of youthful curiosity, wonder, and adventure. growing into a serious, systematic lifestyle that lacks exploration outside of the norm.
i feel psychedelics have somewhat stagnated the growth of this mental structure within me. before using psychedelics, my thought patterns were so linear and more densely integrated within my mind. i was more associated with my thoughts. now it feels like there is more distance between my thoughts and my awareness. before it felt as though my thoughts were my awareness. this makes me think about schizophrenia, this could be it. maybe the schizo's who hear voices are so dissociated from their thoughts that they actually appear as separate entities. /ends rant
I think it is a shame that our culture sees "curiosity, wonder, and adventure" as being only for children. 
Becoming somehow separated from my thoughts...this happened to me after my first couple shrooming experiences. I guess I sort of realized that I am witnessing my thoughts, but they don't have to rule me.
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redgreenvines
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wait a minute
i used lsd before 20 and now am 56
many people my age did the same
most of them are not great examples of what I or you would want to be.
it is a lot of work to find out who you want to be and to keep yourself on track
good luck with it.
it's not the drugs
it's what's inside you and how you use the opportunities of life, of which medicine may play a part.
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SyntheticMInd
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yess lsd, the theme of the story... and yes merely a catalyst.
most of them are not great examples of what I or you would want to be.
why, because they seem dead?
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I don't do drugs, I am drugs
There is only one difference between a madman and me. The madman thinks he is sane. I know I am mad.
- Salvador Dalí
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 fubuvsfitch
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Your awareness of this issue shows that you have reached a higher plane of mentality than the everyday 'sheeple' who unknowingly conform to societal roles.
I've been there. I've realized that my experiences have made me different, break the normal human mold. An awakening of sorts. And the awakening keeps coming!
The next step is to realize that you CAN be different and fit in to society by making certain concessions to the status quo (career, house, etc), but all the while you can be aware of the implications of your every action just because you have 'seen beyond'. I'm with you, and everything you said was spot on.
Not everyone has been where we have been, in fact the majority of them haven't. And this is why they are so similar and we are so unique! Ignorance is bliss, but knowledge of self and where you fit in is fulfilling as hell!
Also, what Redgreenvine said! Though the drugs may open up some pathway to introspection, learning yourself is like riding a bike. Once you've opened the door (with drugs or religion or whatever) it is your decision to carry on the journey of introspection (with or without the drugs) or to slam the door closed.
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backfromthedead
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'Am I alone in this?'
No sir.
'this makes me think about schizophrenia, this could be it. maybe the schizo's who hear voices are so dissociated from their thoughts that they actually appear as separate entities.'
I think you got it. I feel it has a lot to do with manifesting your projected beliefs in the mind and mistaking this for the experience of objective reality.
*Something about becoming little children to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.* (or whatever you want to call it, Christ)
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