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OfflineYawningAnus
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Testosterone and buddhism
    #8065464 - 02/24/08 06:04 PM (8 months, 23 days ago)

so today on NPR, there is a story all about testosterone that includes people that lost it, and people that had way too much.
but one thing that the doctors and everyone agrees on, is that testosterone is the cause of desire.

one man who stopped producing testosterone for 4 months described it kind of like purgatory. he said that he would just lay in bed and stare a a wall for hours neither enjoying it or disliking it.
he said that he never wanted to eat anything that was what he previously considered good.... not because it didnt taste good, but just because he had no desire to do so. he claimed that a loaf of bunny bread and mayonaisse was what he ate 5 days a week.

so where does this all fit in to shedding all desires? I wonder if there are studies done to test the levels of testosterone in buddhists that claim to have shed all or most desires.
I also wonder if buddhists void of desire have actually decreased their testosterone levels, what does that mean towards the consciousness personality vs the random chemicals personality debate?


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Re: Testosterone and buddhism [Re: YawningAnus]
    #8065470 - 02/24/08 06:05 PM (8 months, 23 days ago)

That sounds more like apathy and lethargy than true desirelessness.


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Re: Testosterone and buddhism [Re: Lion]
    #8065477 - 02/24/08 06:07 PM (8 months, 23 days ago)

what hes saying is only cum once a week or less

angry make stupid
stupid make get chores done


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Re: Testosterone and buddhism [Re: haroldmeeks]
    #8065665 - 02/24/08 06:44 PM (8 months, 23 days ago)

buddhists still desire, but their desire stems from wisdom instead of ignorance.

practicing Buddhism is a form of desire too :smirk:


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Re: Testosterone and buddhism [Re: YawningAnus]
    #8065891 - 02/24/08 07:36 PM (8 months, 23 days ago)

The goal is to transcend desire, not negate it. The Buddhist who transcends desire includes desire as part of their being but goes "beyond" it.

The guy sitting on the bed with no testosterone and the enlightened sage are two people with no desire, but that doesn't make their states equal. To equate the two states would be to commit the pre-trans fallacy. Look it up.


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Re: Testosterone and buddhism [Re: Notendo]
    #8065903 - 02/24/08 07:38 PM (8 months, 23 days ago)

Interesting. :thumbup: I Wikipediaed it.


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The Buddha replied: "Say not so, Ananda, say not so. Spiritual friendship is the whole of the spiritual life!"

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Re: Testosterone and buddhism [Re: Notendo]
    #8065926 - 02/24/08 07:44 PM (8 months, 23 days ago)

monkey poopils to that nonzensery

if yes,
then yes?


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Re: Testosterone and buddhism [Re: Lion]
    #8068131 - 02/25/08 10:29 AM (8 months, 23 days ago)

Cool.


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Re: Testosterone and buddhism [Re: YawningAnus]
    #8069477 - 02/25/08 06:02 PM (8 months, 22 days ago)

But girls have less testosterone yet they have an equal amount of desire?


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