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Spiritual Seeker said:
If finally reached a level of understanding at some point. It Doesnt happen often but when it does its astounding. its like eating a gram of mushrooms without doing anything.

The back of your head starts to tingle, and you then "Choose" to let your energy flow through. You dont think a thought because the second YOU start thinking....your energy closes up. As you sit there with your brain wide open thats when it happens.

A huge smile washes on your face. The Joy and Beauty of being aliave. You look at all the people and love them so much. You see them.....perhaps with designer clothing....or perhaps with a misused body......or perhaps wearing what they truley want to wear.....and it doesnt matter.

You "See" their suffering, You "See" Them trying so hard to be apart of something. Nothing but love comes out for these people because you have experianced what they are going through first hand.

Your thoughts your getting are no longer comming from you. They come from the flow of energy. Its in your chest, and its rising from the back of your spine. You dont worry about your drugs, your food, your Car, or seeking a partner. You are there and simply being aliave and Flowing with the holy spirit, You are apart of The Way, and your Chi guides your brain like a tour guide to its next stop.




I wish there was a way to attain this state forever. Sadly it leaves eventually and your stuck with the struggle of being human. Your forced to go to your job, pay your bills, and do whats right....even when you dont want to.


However if you hang in there long enough with your practice. If you are sincere and work twords the "Light" even when all other sources of guidence have been shut off.

You get to experiance something amazing


I am by no means enlightened, nor have i reached realization. But i hope everyone gets a glimpse of what i feel every now and then. May every true seeker reap the rewards of his True Effort

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I have felt this beautiful and amazing feeling and basically I agree with your assessment.

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I wish there was a way to attain this state forever. Sadly it leaves eventually and your stuck with the struggle of being human. Your forced to go to your job, pay your bills, and do whats right....even when you dont want to.

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If it leaves inevitably, it returns inevitably.  I don't know if it's possible to remain in that state for the rest of your life, but I do know it is possible to get much better at staying in that state, and getting out of a state of anguish.  There's no need to seek a permanent change (no such thing IMO), and I think a little suffering here and there can give us some valuable perspective and experience.

Have you read Handbook to Higher Consciousness?  You might find it very valuable.  He describes practical methods of achieving and maintaining such states of consciousness.  These methods have helped me tremendously.

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backfromthedead said:
You never left that place, you only dreamed you did

Have an intentionally huge dose of Haldol and wake up from that.  Then tell me where you are and what is going on.

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A dweam within a dweam.

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backfromthedead said:
You never left that place, you only dreamed you did

Have an intentionally huge dose of Haldol and wake up from that.  Then tell me where you are and what is going on.

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More like a Ghost in the machine, or being blackout drunk.  Once I slept for six days.  This time I don't remember like three days or being interviewed and things.  Fucked up to say the least.  I swear everybody in the ER knew exactly what I was talking about, pretty much.  Then the doc comes in with his beady fuckin eyes and asks me how much Meth I've done today.


Stressed out.  Feel like a drain.  Must...  Remain...  Positive+...  *shudder*

Now these three officers are going to hold you down and I will inject you with Haldol...  Again.  Fuckin nightmare.  Nothing like being locked in a 'help' situation with a dozen paranoid schizophrenics talkin their crazed mostly Bullshit.  DO NOT TALK TO ME.  Leeches.  Energy Vamps.  Clawing at you for attention.  Pathological liars.

I asked a staff member why another dude was locked in isolation...  We were out on the yard at break and he said...  "Cause he's crazy, man." As he shot a layup.  I couldn't even look at him or I might have broken his jaw.

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bradley said:
seems that when you are "there" consciousness is self-referential, and when it is not, you are not. so, i don't see a reason why you can't practice being "there"

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You can practice being there, but any practice is done under the assumption you are not already there, when you identify as mind then you can practice being there, the sensation of being "there" then coming back only happens to & due to identification with mind.

Its like mind is taking a dip in the ocean of consciousness, dissolving, then coming back saying "that was great! but how do i stay there?" How can mind dissolve mind? How can thought stop thought?

Ramana Maharshi put it best when he said its like sending out the thief dressed as a policeman to go catch the thief, which is himself. Mind will not willingly stop mind. It will pretend and give glimpses but it will never let you abide in your inherent peace because mind always wants more.

This is why Ramana Maharshi was one of the most important sages humanity has seen because he explicitly underlined the point that all spiritual practices are wrong, because they are practiced under the assumption there is a separate individual who must do a practice to become one with the universe, when oneness is already there, the only thing that needs to be dropped is the idea & identification with transient names & forms. Identification with objects & the thoughts that follow are the only things that apparently block steady abidance in "that".  So this is why you find out who "I" is, because when you find out it is impossible to identify with any thing.

Truth isn't something to be attained its something to be realized.

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bradley said:
why do you insist that it is the thinking mind that is doing the practicing, and not the whole person?

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What is the whole person? Seriously i don't get your question?
Whats the difference? The idea of "person" "me" "I" itself is a thought too.

If the "whole person" practices, it is only doing so because the thinking mind has told it to do so!
You think, then you do. Mind instructs, body acts.
What im saying is before you even think or move, you are that.

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What is the whole person? Seriously i don't get your question?
Whats the difference? The idea of "person" "me" "I" itself is a thought too.

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